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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I've seen right-wingers try to weaponize misgendering as some walk on eggshells type of thing. But it really isn't. Just apologize if you do misgender someone and make sure to use their correct pronouns.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, but actually no. Using deadnames of companies is much more acceptable than for people.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Despite what the Supreme Court will tell you, corporations aren't actually people, so you don't have to worry about dead naming them.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Deadnaming is not necessarily misgendering. Sometime people have deadnames for reasons other than gender.

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

Ugh but it’s so EASY to upset anti-trans people who are so invested in hurting others by using this tactic, and they deserrrrrve it so much

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 21 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

People will accuse you of condoning a trans person's shitty actions if you gender them correctly, then turn around and use the proper pronouns for literal dictators

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 15 points 17 hours ago

Exactly how I felt about those pictures of Andrew Tate in swim trunks with seamingly no budgie to smuggle. Him being shitty to trans, doesn't make it OK to mock him for maybe being trans. Makes us no better.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I often ask people who deadname (bad) trans people if they also deadname Stalin. Oh, the mental gymnastics I often see...

[–] saturno@sh.itjust.works 13 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

what do you mean by deadname stalin?

[–] yenguardian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 20 hours ago

Stalin was not his birth name

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

His birth name was Iosif Dzhugivashili if I recall it correctly.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 15 hours ago

i do not give a chili, find your own

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

Yeah no way in hell I'm remembering that, none the less saying it.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

yeah it's depressing seeing people decide that it's okay to do asshole things if it is towards asshole people, I understand that you want to be a jerk back but it makes me feel like we lost the progress we just made towards not doing the asshole thing

[–] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago

At least the issue for me isn't the being an asshole to an asshole it's the throwing other people under the bus while being an asshole to the asshole.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago

Meanwhile Alfred will be going around misgendering people because he does not give a crap about Batman's rule.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I only deadname twitter, am I chill?

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Corporations aren’t people, they don’t have deadnames or pronouns. Fire away

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 20 hours ago

Citizens United vs Federal Election Commission has entered the chat

(/s if it wasn't obvious)

[–] pmc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 day ago

I think deadnaming the corporate entity Twitter is fine as long as a certain CEO continues to deadname his living breathing daughter.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 127 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even with a trans person does something shitty, such as Blair White, Caitlyn Jenner or Ezra Miller, it's not a free pass to misgender them. The only effect of that is the trans people in your life know you aren't the ally you claim to be. You aren't misgendering your friends because you are polite. It's absolutely not okay, keep criticizing crappy trans folk, but when you intentionally misgender then you attack all of us.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I know some.of those names but have no idea what these people have done. Could you explain?

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. I chose those three because they are probably the biggest names that trans people might feel comfortable misgendering.

Ezra Miller is an actor who played the superhero The Flash in the last few movies, they are also non-binary and use they/them prounouns. There is a lot of details on wikipedia but the TL:DR Ezra started a relationship with an underage fan (Ezra was 23, she was 12) and this led to kidnapping claims by her parents and a restraining order. They are a real piece of shit IMO.

BLaire White is a right wing youtuber who regularly posts things like this. She also has said repeatedly that "trans women aren't real women, just trans women", suffice to say she is generally disliked by the broader trans community.

Caitlyn Jenner does and says similar things, but with a much bigger microphone. She has been a vocal supporter of Trump and generally the openly transphobic MAGA movement. She ran for governor of California and during her failed campaign, said she would ban trans kids from competing in sports. Currently, she is a Fox News correspondent and regularly appears just saying the most awful things. Much like Blaire, Caitlyin is not well liked by the trans community.

[–] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Huh so that's how I learn that there was a flash movie

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Strictly speaking about the content of the movie and not my opinion of the lead actor.

The Flash movie is.... odd. A big time travel alter dimensional mess. Fun enough if you sorta turn your brain off, wonderful visual effects just don't think too hard on any particular plot point.

There is a literal nazi who chose the name Augustus Invictus and I will call him that as I wish for him the absolute worst. He is on trial so hopefully he gets the worst.

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also applies to misogyny in general. You can call out terfs (or just regular anti trans conservative women) for being bigoted shit faces without resorting to gendered attacks.

[–] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago

Any person regardless of their sexuality or gender can be an asshole.

As long as you don't target them for their identity, you can call them out for their assholeshness.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Ooh, this is a great template, can be applied to all variety of bigotry, which people feel is ok as long as it's aimed at other bigots, ignoring the fact that all they're doing is putting more bigotry out in to the world, and telling marginalised people around them that they aren't safe.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, it's going pretty damn hard. There's so many different things it fits on, like all the different kinds of bodyshaming (e.g. fat shaming, calling something "small dick energy", talking about Trump's small hands).

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

can be applied to any shitty behaviour tbh. Too many people think that once someone is shitty to them, they have free reign to also be shitty as a payback. They think they gave the asshole a piece of their own medicine, but actually they started rolling in the mud with them

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