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Lots of PCs are poised to fall off the Windows 10 update cliff one year from today (arstechnica.com)
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[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Honestly, i predict people and businesses will keep using Win10 years after it's become unsafe. We've all seen the local warehouse still running WIndows 7, i'm thinking that scenario but for millions of users.

That's a cypersecurity problem, but what i'm most concerned with is the e-waste problem, because there's still going to be a lot of users that do replace their PC. There aren't enough Linux users to buy all the computers that will be rendered obsolete, and there won't be by then either. I myself am a new Linux user but i'm already covered, i don't need more computers, not even for cheap.

I just really hope this doesn't end with millions of good computers landfilled or parted. The third world already buys a lot of our e-waste, so i hope they'll get a crapton of relatively good computers for cheap and run either WIn10 or Linux

[–] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 25 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Oh, look, a post on Lemmy about Windows. I'm excited to engage in a unique, nuanced discussion about the topic of the post!

So glad I'm not on Reddit where people just repeat the same predictable thing over and over then jerk each other off.

(I use Linux too. But I hate seeing copy+paste Linux shilling on every Windows post. It's preaching to the choir and uninspired.)

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Wtf is this a reasonable comment to discuss a nuanced topic where a person who never used Linux and has no desire to can maybe find options to adjust and keep my windows from enshittifying?

Inb4 get linux

I get it. I just don't want to learn a new operating system. And to make it work for most of what I use my computer for.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

You don’t like people fervently ignore it the article and just broken recording “install Linux” and “Linux is so much better than it used to be”?

Cool. I use Linux for something and windows for others and Mac for others!

[–] curry@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago

It's all part of the authentic lemmy experience.

[–] Flying_Hellfish@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

"Switch to Linux" is always the answer but a Nvidia graphics card, Stream Deck, and GoXLR are all things I use every single day, with no official linux support I'm never going to be able to use it as a daily driver. I have plenty of VMs that I run Linux on, but it's just a non-starter for my day to day gaming rig.

MS should have done what they said and made W10 "the last version of windows" instead of doing the typical corpo bullshit and coming out with an even worse version.

[–] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who switched to Linux, and found reasons not to for literal decades, this has helped me:

Have a second ssd in your PC that is untarnished by the windows bootloader.

This way one can easily switch via BIOS / UEFI and no other annoying software.

Dual booting is also less annoying, if you switch via boot menu. It lets you test drive and configure Linux anytime you're in the headspace for it and reduces pressure on yourself.

Install linux on it. My current favorite for your situation would be Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop Spin (what a mouthful). Have another exfat partitioned usb disk ready for file exchange with windows. Again, this makes handling windows easier, has nothing to do with linux.

Nvidia on fedora works good enough. third party repos also help a lot.

streamdeck is wonderful hardware, I know a friend who uses it daily with streamdeck_ui

  • same with GoXLR Configuration Utility. Software is there, the only question is does it work for you.

This is to my knowledge as close to "official" as you can get. Good luck on your journey!

[–] Flying_Hellfish@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

That will be my next plan, 2 NVMe boot disks, but that may not be before next year. I've been using PopOS, fedora, and Mint in VMs for about a year now just messing around and getting a handle on the GUI side of things since most of my debian containers are cli only.

I'll look into GoXLR and Streamdeck plugins again, thank you for that, I looked a while ago and it was a long way from my comfort level, but given the amount of docker/debian I've messed with in the last year, that may be attainable now.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm starting to set up a dual boot and this helps me. I have a 1TB SSD with Windows, and later bought a 2TB SSD for games. I've shrunk the latter's partition so I can set up Linux, and I may reconfigure bios to make that the default boot device.

[–] MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Dude Tc helicon dropped software support for the GoXLR 1 year ago, indeed the community continuing the support for this device was at first a GoXLR control software for Linux that, after some time, became a windows app too. https://github.com/GoXLR-on-Linux/GoXLR-Utility

[–] Flying_Hellfish@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Holy crap, I had no idea. Someone else posted that utility as well, I'm going to bookmark it for when I get another NVMe to put a linux distro on

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 8 hours ago

Back in my day it was Lynx 2012 / apocalypse / whatever it was called saying that was the last Lynx they'd ever make. To my annoyance, it turns out they were lying. Although I don't tend to hang out with the sort of people that blast themselves with Lynx so I guess it makes no difference either way

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

HDR support and Adobe support... All I really still need...

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Plasma on Wayland does have HDR support now... But I don't have a way to test how good it is, and I think it's both still unfinished and severely lacking support from applications. But hey, things are improving!

I wouldn't count on Adobe support though.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, Adobe is the worst.

[–] BellyPurpledGerbil@sh.itjust.works 14 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Literally moved everything to Linux (Nobara) like 3 weeks ago and the only thing I can't get to work is Bizhawk which I can easily get around. It's insane how far Linux has come for gaming and whatnot.

[–] GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

I was thinking how, back in the day, the most popular web browser was IE, which wasn't on Linux. Now the most popular browser is Chrome, which has been on Linux since 2009 or whenever it was.

And of course lots of other big software is on Linux, like VS Code, Zoom, Slack, Skype. And Linux is on the Steam Deck. So yes I agree, Linux has come a long way.

[–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 33 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Frankly, I don't care.

I'm going to keep using Windows 10, updates or not, until I absolutely have no other choice, hoping against hope that the cracks in the Recall/AI monolith with have spread wide enough that a future Win 12 or 13 won't have them in it. I don't run a business. I don't keep sensitive information on any internet capable devices and my work uses the AS400 system.

I know Linux is a thing, and about a dozen years ago I spent a year using Ubuntu exclusively. While appreciating the OS, I got tired of chanting magic spells at computer every time I wanted to use software I liked on it, and so went back to Windows.

These days, despite being a reasonably tech savvy person approaching 60, I'm getting to the point where I'm just not up to learning/relearning an OS unless there is a critical need, and using Windows 10 there just isn't. At least not for me.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Despite what the fanboys say, linux still isn’t completely ready for primetime. I’ve been a casual linux user for twenty-odd years, and it has come a LONG way from assembling Lego bricks into a usable OS to a mostly plug-‘n-play setup.

There’s plenty of stuff that doesn’t work. Compared to Windows the software isn’t all available. Sound and video can still present difficulties. I moved my Steam library to linux and many of the games work well, but forget it if you’re into AAA online play, anti-cheat software still doesn’t play nice on linux.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a much more polished and easy to use setup than it’s ever been. But it still doesn’t beat Windows for the amount of mainstream software available and still needs to be irritatingly fiddled with if you want to do anything off the beaten path with it.

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What’s the “plenty of stuff that doesn’t work”? And what audio/video issues are you having? Pipewire is miles better than anything Windows can conjure up in latency, quality, and customization. Video is literally just rendering pixels, which works with web browsers, and local video players (mpv and vlc). The only valid complaint is [Windows] software availability.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Audio cracking and popping, sound not working at all, flickering at certain resolutions, not rendering faces properly, some software won't load at all, some linux apps don't work correctly, USB ports not working, wireless dongles not working, etc. I'm not going to bore anyone with the full list. I mean, I can tell you're waiting to pin the blame on me or say something along the lines of "all you have to do is..." and that's really disingenuous. Either Linux "just works" or it doesn't. And even as a fan and long-time user...it doesn't. Not like Windows, anyway.

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago

Not trying to blame you or anything, just stating the facts. It does sound like you don’t want to hear the other side though, and are completely convinced that these issues you’re having are normal to the average Linux system.

Installing a recent version of a normal Linux distribution (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint) will come by default with the following: Pipewire server (most likely wireplumber), Wayland, network drivers (except Debian) for most adapters, stable graphics drivers (unless you’re an NVIDIA victim), a DE of your choice (KDE, GNOME, Cosmic, etc). This setup will not have any audio cracking or popping, no flickering at certain resolutions, working USB ports. However, if you’re the type who refuses to update from the unmaintainable Xorg, old pulseaudio/alsa drivers, uses some obscure distribution, uses an NVIDIA GPU, or uses hardware from 2 decades ago, then you’ll have a horrible experience and it will only get worse with time, not better (unless you have an NVIDIA GPU, which will get not-garbage drivers eventually).

[–] glaber@lemm.ee 23 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

The days of "chanting magic spells at computer" being synonymous with the Linux experience are far gone. I recommend you just make a Fedora installer and take it for a spin on the live test system! You don't need to commit to it to just try it

[–] mtpender@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

[Children of the Omnissiah plays]

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[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Already switched to linux. I still have one windows drive that I haven't booted for about a year. Haven't relied on virtual machines or anything.

[–] bustAsh@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

I've turned a few older neighbors on to Linux when they complained that window updates caused their PC's to run too slow.

I'd tell them 'before you go out and buy a new computer, let me install Linux if you don't like it, you lose nothing. In the end, each one of them was happy their computer was running like new again.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

mine hasnt been updated for about 3.5 years now. not having online access has its moments

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

But you had to fax this comment in.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

This will be the best thing that ever happened to Linux. Hell, it might even make it up to 4.5% market share.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, I may have stopped getting updates anyway? I suspect what happened is typical, that some Win10 update bugged the update process and I was supposed to either roll it back or get the next one by hand and just... didn't.

It is my intention to start looking at linux distros and have one installed by Summer 25...assuming I haven't immolated in a wildfire or been sent to a detention center by then.

[–] Varyag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago

Same thing happened to me a few years ago. My old laptop from 2013 is hardware incompatible with something in modern Windows10 and when it tried installing the late 2019 update it just died. Had to buy a new laptop to keep working.

Today, that same laptop is happily running Arch Linux. I'm still trying to decide what I'll do with the main gaming PC.

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