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I wish this was true so that there would be a hard limit to within this century, on how much ff related damage we will do.
Unfortunately, they are still finding more, particularly in the north. How much yet-to-be-proven oil still out there is what really should be considered along with technology improvements that increase how much oil can be effectively recovered.
Not to mention the vast reserves known to be in Antarctica.
That treaty is only going to last so long before people start getting desperate and start fighting over it.
Oooh I didn't think about that... I'll update the post
The reason for the 50 years of oil, as I heard it explained, is that this is how far ahead the oil companies plan. They look for enough oil to cover the timeframe they plan for. When they have that covered, they don't look, until they need more. When they need more, they go and find it.
I remember when they said there were 30 years left in the '90s.
Yeah, not trying to poke holes, but I was hearing "less than 50 years left" when I was in school in the 2000s. I do remember seeing a post here and there about new oil reservoirs being discovered but never any follow up. So I suppose that could be stretching things out. But oil use certainly hasn't decreased in the last 25 years.
By 2050, there might even be 70 years of oil left!
"Peak Oil" they used to call it. Lots written about to collapse of everything after Peak Oil. Been predicted since at least 1970's.
Now we need to run out for our own good.
Peak oil was about conventional oil. Had we not discovered other sources and methods for extraction then we likely would have run out. And running out isn't accurate, it's just that oil becomes harder to extract and thus too expensive for regular uses.
There are many things that were predicted as a collapse factor that we then innovated solutions to break past those barriers. We're too smart for our own good, because each time we find new ways to keep going we make things worse and get ourselves even more into a dead end. When we do "run out" of oil of any type, which will happen at the growing rate we use it up, will we be smart again and find replacements for all the things petroleum is used for (not just fuel)? One important one being fertilizer to make food grow in our otherwise barren soils. Fun fact: people need to eat to live. Most people in the world, especially the western world, exists and survive because of food thanks to oil.
Lastly, we would have done so much better post-collapse if things had happened naturally with a smaller population and less damage to the environment. The higher you fall, the more it will hurt, and we're damn high now compared to the mid/late 20th century.
Peak oil was about conventional oil. Had we not discovered other sources and methods for extraction then we likely would have run out. And running out isn’t accurate, it’s just that oil becomes harder to extract and thus too expensive for regular uses.
In other words, we did hit Peak Oil and that's what caused the development of things like fracking, oil sands, and deep ocean drilling.
The way things are going we're all going to be dead before it gets to that point
Probably because of all the dipshits in this thread specifically, acting like we don't need to stop extracting and using oil.
And it could be caused by nuclear fallout before climate change gets critical
At the current rate of oil consumption there are only 15 years left in the world. So it’s fine.
I heard the same thing 30 years ago.
There are still unproven reserves waiting to be discovered.
Under the Arctic. Underneath the seabeds in the deep oceans. Probably other places that are hard to get to right now.
The question that really needs to be asked is not can we find more oil, we absolutely can and will seek it out. We should ask, can the environment that we live in support more burning of even more oil? We all know that answer, that's why we're cutting our emissions down rapidly. /s
The amount discovered in each of the last three years has been less than a year's worth of consumption. The global consumption rate is still rising. At some point we will necessarily run out. The lack of readily available reserves has already lead to "innovations" like fracking, oil sands, and deep sea extraction. Those techniques weren't profitable when production is easy, but they have delayed the inevitable.
I fully expect to see solar powered wells extracting oil that otherwise has a negative EROI in my lifetime.
This thread is filled with people who don't grasp what a finite resource is. Saying "I remember hearing that x years ago". Sure there's probably more it there somewhere, but we don't need to have to the finish on this. There are are kids who are going to grow up, people who aren't born yet. Hell, at current rates, we might fuck up things with climate change. Which, even more reason to use less.
Call me selfish, but I want my nieces and nephews, to be able to grow up into a prosperous world and not some weird dystopian hellscape.
I believe prices will increase dramatically long before we actually run out. Any non-critical usage of plastics and petroleum products will be phased out for economic forces if nothing else.
The trick is figuring out how to make that happen. Today.
You could easily argue that practically non-existent passenger trains and slow adoption of EVs in the US is primarily caused by cheap gasoline. Maybe if we fixed prices to be higher, we’d be able to make the progress we need
I believe gasoline is indeed heavily subsidized. I always thought that was a strange choice.
I was in Norway a few days ago and I was impressed how pretty much all the vehicles I saw were EVs and that the bus system appeared to be relatively efficient.
Yeah don't bother thinking about the future. The market will sort it out. Just go buy some shit.
Honestly we've known peak oil would occur in our lives for several decades. Not that you could tell by any project to prepare for such an event.
There was 50 years worth of oil left 20 years ago too
The disconnect between the general public and the realities of the petroleum industry may be the largest gap in existence. Pretty much any article you read gets 99% of the info hilariously wrong as the journalist has no idea wtf they're talking about.
"The report says we can release 565 more gigatons of co2 without the effects being calamitous." "It says we can only release 565 gigabytes." "So what if we only release 564?" "Well, then we would have a reasonable shot at some form of dystopian post-apocalyptic life, but the carbon dioxide in the oil that we've already leased is 2795 gigatons so..."
Point being, we already have oil we haven't burned yet that will shoot us far past any limits we've pretended we'll adhere to, and yet we're still looking for more oil to dig up. How can this end well?
This means that the oil is going to run out in our lifetime.
Well, not in mine. So good luck with that!
I'll be 91. I'm sure I'll have bigger problems by that point.
......such as having been dead for the past 49 years!
Shiiit, 1985 to 2075? That's a long life
I've heard this for my whole life. Oil runs out in X years, until they develop affordable ways to dig deeper and get at more
Cheapest oil runs out in x years. Mid cost in y years. Expensive in z years. Then we get into “manufactured” oils.
Oil isn’t going to run out, it’s just going to get more expensive.
I was curious how best to cut down on our usage, if we'd be aggressive, how long we could make our oil last.
From the EPA, seems the like roughly 40% of an oil barrel ends up being used to create gasoline source. The transportation sector accounts to 2/3 of our total oil consumption. In the transportation sector, roughly 54% of energy is used just for passenger cars. source
If everyone in the world stopped driving gasoline cars and switched to a 100% renewable option, we would only cut our oil production by about 36%. That changes the timeline from 50 years to 78 years.
Pretty saddening to think about. Hopefully some technology improvements for oil recycling come around quickly
It's ok, there isn't 50 years of world left.
Of human-habitable world, you mean.
Imagine if the dinosaurs had newspapers back then: "THE WORLD IS ENDING!!" And mammals be like "lol"
I wish it would run out much sooner. Burning fossil fuels is responsible for 20% of all deaths in the world.
I remember going to a presentation in Boulder Colorado in 2005 or somewhere near there about how the world will run out of oil in 10-15 years, they had tons of data they had collected with a bunch of researches and everything.
We just keep discovering more and more oil, and get better at extracting it.
I mean, yes, but there is a finite amount, we just don't have the ability to accurately gauge how finite. We also created new techniques for extraction and technology changed to enable those new techniques.
The information was good at the time, but it won't get better at the same rate, we're closer to the truth now than we were before because of advancement.
Anyway, my point is the new estimate is much closer to true than the one your comparing it to.
They've been saying this for 50 years at least.
Glad you already learned this is probably nonsense. The wrong reasoning is very similar to much thought about overpopulation. The amount of people that makes for a place to be overpopulated is a function of how societies work and the technologies they have at hand. One extra issue there is that improvements in technology usually lead to population growth, so much progress gets cancelled out.
Part of me wishes that the oil would run out sooner to give governments more urgency to actually do something about our fossil fuel dependency, cause apparently the increasingly apparent effects of climate change just aren't enough motivation.