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This aged well.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 89 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Harris' takeover has been an an absolute success, but anyone claiming they knew it'd work out this way is lying or delusional. Just because we hit the low percentage chance that it all worked out doesn't mean people were wrong for thinking it was most likely a bad idea because all available history and information basically assured that it was.

That said, anyone that got vitriolic about it (on either side, tbf) can get bent. This is all uncharted waters right now. Being a dick about it either way isn't helping anything. Let's not pretend to know that anything is certain.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah let's maybe hold off on the victory laps until after the election. This thing is on a knife's edge still and we got a lot of work to do still to get her over the line.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Still a knife edge, but there’s more space on this knife edge.

Though that debate performance. …. She was always going to eviscerate him… but she did it with style….

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I knew that Harris would be a better candidate than Biden.

You’d have to be proverbially blind to not have seen it.

Did I know it would be this wildly successful? Not so much. I knew it could be, and I knew Harris would be better than Biden.

[–] CasualPenguin@reddthat.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm with you and all, but shouldn't we wait before considering it a victory?

Plenty of racists and sexists out there who won't say a word about Harris publicly but will vote for Trump the second they enter the booth no matter what.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’m not declaring victory- I’m saying Biden had almost zero chance of beating trump.

If he had lost like four of any of ten states, he’d have lost I. 2020. He won the EC by a razor’s edge.

And that was with all the shit of his presidency fresh. He’s had four years to retcon things, to shore up his base. And Biden had 4 years to fuck around on messaging.

He was and is taking a beating there- and some of it is actually legitimate (Gaza for example.)

Harris… it’s going to be a tough fight, but it’s her campaign to lose. Which is a night-and-day difference.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I was going to bet a large amount of cash that Biden would lose. We hit rock bottom and all data proved Biden was at best at Jimmy Carter's level of performance with added baggage like age-related risk. I said then and say now that anyone would be better. Whether that was Harris or whether that was by an open convention -- which itself could've been exciting and similarly sucked away all attention from Trump -- either way.

At the end of the day all the data convinced not just me but countless Democratic representatives and eventually Biden's own campaign staff and advisors. Thank fuck he did the obviously right thing.

What I got wrong: I didn't believe Harris would work out this well, and in fact I was hoping for Whitmer among others if I'm honest... But I'm happily proven wrong.

I was also wrong about the VP pick. I wanted Kelly but Walz is the whole package.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is what I don't get. Everyone here had the sentiment of "we will vote for anyone who is not Donald Trump". But then they balked at the suggestion that Biden should drop out and insisted that no one could replace him.

Now that Biden has been replaced.... they're saying Biden being replaced was a low percentage gamble. Something here doesn't add up.

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[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

because all available history and information basically assured that it was

That's actually just not true. It's pretty interesting, but the main reason incumbents have such a high chance of re-election is because exactly this happened with most incumbents that had a low chance already: They got cut out by the party. So there has always been natural cherry-picking that only the "good" incumbents went on to actually be the nominee again (and therefore had a disproportionally high rate of winning).

Although I originally also thought otherwise, when looking at all the data, this was the rational & correct choice.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

womp womp i knew it. something about having a cadaver up on stage just spoke to me…

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[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

doesn't mean people were wrong

This monologue of yours doesn't mean they weren't.

Just say "I am not going to apologize and move on..."

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

The only reservation I had was that the democrats would pick a worse candidate. Because democrats always do that shit.

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[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Raise your hand if you were called a Russian bot for daring to question Biden

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 month ago

There's still plenty of time for you to become a Russian bot. Never give up on your dreams!

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I guess the Russian bots are downvoting you.

I got so much shit on Lemmy for saying Biden should drop after his debate. Was literally called a Russian bot multiple times.

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

🙋‍♂️

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Questioning him in public forums felt like it would’ve helped that very bad man. I’m glad the Joenors applied pressure - that’s very appropriate, e.g. donors calling out that garbage debate behind closed doors.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 month ago

my hand fucking shattered against the ceiling after reading this comment

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean we should be questioning Trump's aptitude every chance we get for the same reasons they were doing it - it makes him look weak, it generates more discussion and therefore more doubt, and it drives down voter enthusiasm.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve already apologized here, but I’ll do it again. I’m sorry. I was wrong. I didn’t think there was enough time to generate the support needed. I’m really impressed by Kamala’s campaign effectiveness.

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[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was wrong, and happy to be so now.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I admit, that was me. I think the rapid political cycle in news made me think the election was closer than it was.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 month ago

thx for being a real one

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I'll take the L.

I legitimately thought there'd be no way for them to be able to campaign enough in just a few months and I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 month ago

sorry for the L, but i think we’re both glad you’re taking it :)

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I was definitely in the camp of “Biden shouldn’t drop out” not because I wanted Biden to be President, but mostly because the people who wanted him to drop out just kinda hand waved away what happened after he dropped out.

They tossed about a few names that they favored and Harris wasn’t really on that list. People gave her a pass or offered some soft criticism, but she wasn’t on people’s short list.

While I’m very glad that Harris has really shone, I think that surprised a lot of people, there was still the opportunity for the DNC to fuck everything up and put together a ticket that would have been underwhelming. Luckily that didn’t happen.

I think this is an incredibly lucky “I told ya so”, the gamble worked out, but IMO it could have gone the other way far too easily.

[–] CluelessLemmyng@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 month ago

Thank you. I was in the same boat. Did I want Biden President again? Not really. But there were no alternatives at the time and I thought that Harris wasn't exactly getting the recognition when people wanted to just drop Biden.

I'm glad I'm wrong about staying with Biden. I'm happier that Harris has taken up the mantle. I just hope that it's enough to drive turnout.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, this is the correct take here. Trying to pretend that this was the plan all along is disingenuous. There was no plan other than 'Biden bad'.

The fact that Kamala Harris has clutched momentum and has good odds came out of literally nowhere, as did Harris herself.

It also can't be ignored that the 'Biden bad' message was being pushed hard artificially by billionaires and Russia, which didn't exactly fill a lot of Democrats with hope that it was a realistic option.

We lucked out.

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I actually had someone go back to one of my comment chains explaining that we needed to push Biden to drop and apologize for their negativity and hostility towards the notion.

I think that is an absolute rarity of self awareness from anyone and I'll take the win of knowing there is at least 1 person out there that walked away with a change positive mindset.

....Wish it was more... But taking the win.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, I also was very vocal about this. The democrats that attacked this idea were fucking mean about it.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 7 points 1 month ago

Absolutely grossly cruel about their disdain to anyone disagreeing and now just fully onboard without so much as a glance back at the wake of abuse left.

Honestly the Democrats can be exactly the same kind of bullies for like minded party thinking as the Republicans its just their shit apparently doesn't stink quite as much to have to take notice of it.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 month ago

right like if you weren’t mean about it, no need to apologize. but there was so much shit being thrown around it was quite sad actually

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I was saying that before he dropped, I was wrong, you were right. Brilliant even. This has been not only the right move, but a huge shot in the arm for voter turnout and engagement. We would have lost this if everyone listened to me. I'll be more open minded going forward. Thank you.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

My feeling right after the Biden-Trump debate was pretty much the same as my feeling after the Harris-Trump debate: I do not understand what the American electorate wants, and I can't predict their behavior. I was horrified by Biden's performance, but I couldn't say if that would matter. I was really pleased with Harris' performance, and I'm glad that it seems to be pushing things in the right direction, but by Odin's beard I cannot fathom how Trump could have a political career at all, let alone what it will take to really change the minds of anyone who is still undecided at this point. I'll take what I can get, but I can't predict the mental workings of undecided voters in Arizona, Georgia, or Wisconsin.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

drop .... out? drop dead? drop trow? drop a new single?

DROP WHAT????

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Drop that ass and let that booty shake. Let's go Joe!

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Watch that booty bop when the bass drop

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] sunshine@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Kamala Harris hasn't won, no. But I think she's already achieved enough momentum that if she loses, it will be safe to say that Joe Biden would have also lost.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm positive I didn't yell at you but we should listen to you more often is my take.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 month ago

as we all know i am the only correct person on this site

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Anyone who said Biden should drop was right as fuck. I was doubtful that it would work out for Kamala due to how racist people can be but it's going so well so far.

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