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Does anyone know if there are any companies/organizations that offer the possibility to sail the Atlantic by boat as a passenger (so not as a (more or less) experienced crew member). Are there any? Or announced plans or something like that?

(I'm not talking about being a passenger on a large cargo ship. I'm curious about the possibility to cross the Atlantic with a low carbon footprint).

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[โ€“] someguy3@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Hear me out. The thing with cruise ships is that they sometimes relocate from North America to Europe operations and vis versa. Those cruises don't get tourists because the whole point of a cruise is to visit different places, no one wants that trip. But the relocation is going to happen anyway, so they sell tickets super cheap (and it's stripped of entertainment like comedians, shows, etc). Because the relocation is going to happen anyway, you're not exactly adding to any carbon footprint. You'd have to Google what exactly they're called.

But I get you if you want to sail. That does exist too.

[โ€“] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Repositioning cruise, I think

[โ€“] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

He just flies everywhere

[โ€“] Railison@aussie.zone 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, Cunard does transatlantic sailings with the QM2, but your environmental impact for doing so would be high. Your impact would be far lower (per kilogram) if you did travel passenger on a cargo ship.

[โ€“] notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those are regular cruise ships, right? Yeah no, not interested in that either. Those are incredibly polluting and wasteful things.

[โ€“] TheWeirdestCunt@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's the last ocean liner in existence and it's more efficient than a cruise ship but yeah it's still pretty fuel hungry. There aren't any commercial sailing ships left anymore though even in a cargo capacity, companies don't run them because their speed is so inconsistent that they can't run on a regular schedule.

[โ€“] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

There are a handful of commercial sailing vessels for both cargo and cruises, although they are hard to find. Here is one I found that still seems to be in service. A fairly complete list of sailing vessels can be found here. Some that are listed as currently sailing actually aren't, but it's still a place to look. The Royal Clipper seems to do the occasional transatlantic cruise, so that could be relevant for the OP. I didn't take price into consideration, they could be quite expensive.

[โ€“] Treedrake@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago

It's generally really hard if you have no experience. But if you're willing to pay, maybe. Check this out: https://hitchwiki.org/en/Hitchhiking_a_boat

[โ€“] slazer2au@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like a transatlantic cruise?

[โ€“] notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, I basically mean a sailing ship. A ship with sails. I'm curious about the possibilities to cross the Atlantic with no/low CO2 emissions. I have adjusted the title to make this clearer!

[โ€“] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Looks like the main options are the things you've already ruled-out:

  • Lowest impact travel: passenger on a cargo ship.
  • Zero-emissions vehicle: ยฃ6000 trip on a sailing boat, but any normal-sized boat is going to expect everyone on board to take shifts.

Maybe you can find a "tall ship" that's big enough to have passive passengers (example), or pay the small boat to bring a higher ratio of paid crew to let the passengers sleep.

[โ€“] notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks. The tall ships look amazing.

I don't understand why there arent more commercial options around. Aren't there armies of rich tourists and digital nomads struggling with their CO2 footprints?

Wouldnt it be possible to have WiFi on such tall ships? Wouldnt it be possible for people to work online for some weeks?

[โ€“] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It might be a trope by now, but when you mention "rich tourists and digital nomads"... have you read For The Win?

When Cory Doctorow considers this question, ... His character, an archetype of the subcultures you mention, voiced by the most cyberpunk author you ever read, chooses a cargo ship.

[โ€“] notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

I didn't know it yet. But it looks interesting. Thanks for the tip.

[โ€“] akwd169@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Thanks for the book rec

[โ€“] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Lots of sailors look for crew of varying levels when crossing with personal boats. Lots of work aboard for tall ship experiences as well. We live in a place where there are loads of sail boats on the east coast of North America and folks are looking all the time. Head to a marina and start asking around. Find sailing groups on facecrack or any social media and advertise yourself. Many will require experience but many will train you as well.

[โ€“] nobleshift@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you are looking to make the crossing on a sailboat under 50', there are a few hitchhiker facebook groups that are pretty active. Maybe start in the FBG 'All Things Sailing" and move on from there.

Source: am fulltime liveaboard crusier

[โ€“] notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, thanks. What does "fulltime liveaboard crusier" mean? You spend your days sailing the ocean? In sailing boats?

[โ€“] nobleshift@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I've been living full-time off the grid for six years on my Bayfield 29, either sailing or at anchor. After storm season I'll be leaving the States bound to Colombia, Brazil & Panama.

[โ€“] litron3000@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago

As others have said private boats are probably the best bet, but there are also sailing cruises which cross the atlantic, I believe the Alexander Humboldt stationed in Bremen makes that trip once a year. There are also other ships that I forgot the name of. It is really expensive though

[โ€“] Shawdow194@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think most sailing ships do expect all passengers to be capable of crew duties to some degree. Especially on an arduous and long journey like across the atlantic

[โ€“] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

We need you to salt this pork

[โ€“] HarriPotero@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

https://www.59-north.com/ take you on as crew for different lengths of legs. I think they usually go back and forth with two boats per year.

[โ€“] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Royal Caribbean has a couple of one way routes from the us to Europe.

Some shipping companies will also rent cabin space for civilians to cross the atlantic.

[โ€“] xilliah@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago

I'd go for something smaller first and gain experience.

[โ€“] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Feeding and housing you for the multi day trip will outweigh any emissions reduction from travelling by boat instead of by plane

[โ€“] xilliah@beehaw.org 7 points 2 months ago

That makes sense because you don't need to eat and be housed those days in your life when you fly.