The lengths people will go through to stop something that hurts nobody, but helps many always astounds me.
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The lengths people will go through to stop something that hurts nobody, but helps many always astounds me.
I have to credit some rando Redditor for the insight that helped me understand why these people do this. I'll paraphrase because I can't remember the exact prose.
Nearly all actions of Conservatives can be explained by their two implied core principles:
- All policies are zero sum. For you to gain something means I am losing something.
- There is a naturally occurring societal class-based hierarchy system, and you are required to stay at your level, never rising.
So the reason conservatives oppose student loan relief applies to both rules.
- If student loan borrowers are having debts forgiven (they are getting something) that MUST mean the conservative is losing something.
- If they had to take loans for school because they couldn't afford to pay for it outright, then they should stay in their economic station. Forgiving these loans may allow them to advance beyond their current class, which cannot be allowed.
Which number 2 blows my mind as they constantly vote for things which benefit those well “above their station” because they think they’ll be there someday.
"I'll be rich one day and then people like me will have to watch their step!"
You can't change social class. Only I get to change social class. - Conservatives
I don't believe conservatives are trying to argue they need to change their class. They just assume they are already the highest, and its some other group's fault that the conservative is poor.
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because they think they’ll be there someday.
Sadly, I think its even worse than you're describing. They think they are at that higher station now and its rule #1 that is preventing them from actualizing it. As in "I'm not experiencing a luxurious lifestyle because Group X is taking my share".
My friend ran into a mutual acquaintance; dude’s now a majorly homophobic, anti trans, anti lgbtq, far right, freedumb convoy supporting redneck. You know the type. He’s ranting about how social programs need to be defunded and all the gays do is take and don’t contribute. My buddy then goes “so anyway, how’ve you been?” Dude says “oh I’m great! I got laid off so now I’m on employment insurance.”
Their hypocrisy and tone deafness know no bounds.
I hate those kinds of people so much...
I had a coworker like that too. Would argue any Democrat proposal was communism and absolutely terrible. Then he took paid family leave for 2 months when he had a kid, came back, and said "man that was great, I went snowboarding for 2 months while wifey stayed home with the baby. See? That's why this is bad!"
It's bad because you're an asshole?
I don't think it's even that anymore. I think it's just genuine fawning sycophancy towards their "betters." They think privileged people deserve even more privilege by virtue of having "won," even at their own expense. It's sick and psychotic and completely foreign to my way of thinking, but I don't think I'm wrong.
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As Voltaire said: "The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor."
The idea broadly underpins modern capitalism, and it sums up why liberal politicians (whether left or right wing) do nearly everything they do. Democratic liberals want to keep the lower classes at least somewhat happy by throwing them scraps from time to time, while Republican liberals will only ever do just enough to keep the lower classes pacified.
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Don't forget cruelty. If you aren't in their circle or above it's also about cruelty.
Thats built into #2. If your station is low enough, you should expect to endure cruelty. Its your station after all...is their implied position.
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they also want to dissuade (non-rich) people from getting educated and seeking jobs that they want to keep open for their own kids
It hurts everyone relying on debt and poverty to force people to accept inequitable exploitation of their labor.
Its beyond fucking evil. Nouveau scourgeoisie
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Remember, the president is absolutely above the law and can commit a coup or order political assassinations with impunity. But he can't make decisions about how to implement policies, even when congress gives him that authority.
The seems like the perfect chance to use that immunity. He should use it to sign an executive order to cancel all student debt based on the supreme court decision. Let the republicans object and force the court to either allow it or rule that the president doesn’t actually have immunity.
They left the ruling open enough that SCOTUS can pick and choose what is and is not an official act.
Exactly, force them to decide on every order he makes. By November we will have a list of do's and don'ts.
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Hard to argue that an executive order isn't an official act, but I dount they care about keeping the mask of legitimacy on anymore
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We are being governed by unelected judges. We need to reform the court system (starting at the top)
Neocons said that about the legalization of gay marriage. That's why they cheated under Trump and went for the jugular when it came to supreme court judges. And the highmindedness (and cowardice) of the Democrats in not stuffing the courts in response will haunt America and the world for decades.
Incompetent Defenders on the Left, and on the Right, the stuff of nightmares
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Biden should decree it as an official act, and order the branches to do it anyway.
Call their Bluff, and better yet do it with a "low stakes" issue so they have to put up or shut up.
Its open faced at this point, this kind of shit will continue until the rulings are ignored. The reason student loans got so much focus is because unlike other legislation proposals, student loans are entirely at the discretion of the department of education under the executive branch. Like how the DEA has authority over drug scheduling.
The executive branch has these authorities, the judiciary does not have the authority to rescind them, only congress can
this kind of shit will continue until the rulings are ignored.
Say it louder for the low-information voters in the back.
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Thanks, I hate conservatives.
Good! If we allow Working Class Americans to have MORE MONEY we WON'T have enough to give to Jeff Bezos so he can buy another Yacht for his Yacht!
Somebody think about the yachts!
I'm not a lawyer.
The article kinda sucks on educational value.
Summary:
To sort out a legal mess two circuit courts made with contradictory rulings about the nature of student loan repayments, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit issued an order to halt the SAVE program's implementation entirely, temporarily, until they issue a final ruling.
The order is likely legally binding in all subordinate Federal Circuit Courts with jurisdiction over: Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota.
Editorial:
It's fucked, like a judicial system filibuster.
Wow. The popups on Forbes are bad. I had one covering the lower third until another ad popped up, covering the whole screen of my phone. I literally had one ad blocking another ad.
It makes you wonder if it even matters if you stay on the page for the ads to pay. If it’s just page load, then they don't care if you read the article, in which case the system is incentivized to have them only focus on headlines that will drive click-through.
Because I’ve noticed similar things, where it’s functionally impossible to read the content on phones, which you’d think would be a primary demographic, if you cared about presenting reporting.
"wHy dO PeOpLe kEeP uSiNg aDbLoCkErs!?"
I wonder if marketers realize I'm so desensitized to ads that I have no idea what any given one is even for. I'm just looking for a way to close the damn thing. If I can't, I leave the site entirely, still with no idea of what product or service they were trying to shove down my throat.
Shirley I'm not the only one like this.
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Biden should pause repayments until the courts figure their shit out.
Maybe he should block the court's salaries until they figure out what not having money is like.
If the youngsters don't see that it is the Republicans and Republicans only who are hurting them any chance they get, I don't see how that education helped them any.
If I was a millennial I'd be fucking livid and organizing voter registration drives all over the country.
They are literally stealing any hope of a future before your eyes and if you think not voting is going to send a message, it is. The message is: Keep fucking us, Republicans and don't use any lube.
I think most millennials are pretty solidly left, while also having no illusions about the fact that the establishment democratic party are centrist on their best day and right wing on their worst (we can't stop the fascists, that would make the people who don't vote for us upset and they might continue to not vote for us).
Do you know how small a number 8 million is in comparison to the entire US population? And these assholes are still trying to block it. Fucking sick of this shit.
Ngl, the more this happens the more servicers are confused about what they should be collecting and from whom, and that’s actually a win for the borrowers (not as much of a win as this shit going through but still).
For example, due to the slew of challenges, I’m still on $0 repayment through October and don’t even have to certify income for that. And who knows if they will actually move forward with resuming charges for it; this is the second time it’s been delayed for me.
I hope the system does get thrown into complete chaos if it doesn’t all get forgiven or at least restructured. That would be better than people having to pay for worthless and/or overpriced degrees, and not being able to do shit with their lives.
who cares ignore the court and do it anyway
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