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[–] EinfachUnersetzlich@lemm.ee 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd never heard of mandatory minimum parking until now. That sounds horrendous.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a thing virtually everywhere in NA, and usually is set to the maximum expected demand for parking. Which means malls and big stores need enough parking spaces to accomodate Black Friday levels of traffic.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Land area wise most malls/shopping centers in the USA are about 50% parking lot. It's absurd. I regularly hear people mention a store/location and then the praise/complaints about the parking there.

[–] solarbabies@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, that's my favorite System of a Down lyric!

All research and successful health policies show

That walking should be increased

And law enforcement decreased while abolishing

Mandatory minimum parking spots

I buy my crack, I smack my bitch

Right here in Hollywood

[–] Excrubulent 3 points 5 months ago

I just love that the "law enforcement decreased" line didn't change.

It's just always applicable.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Several new major developments in my area have done this. They have underground parking for residents and businesses only and for everyone else you get 5 slots of street parking and nothing else.

The problem is that public transit in my city is horrible. It is expensive, unreliable, slow, and has poor service coverage. These developments are 100% completely inaccessible to me both by car and by transit unless I'm willing to blow away the next 4 hours busing there and back for what would be a 10 minute car ride.

Cars are a cancer on the world and I hate them as much as anyone else here, but cities must give proper alternatives if plans like this are to work properly. Slow, stinky buses that only come every 50 minutes and spend 80% of their time stuck in traffic help nobody and yet they are all our politicians are willing to provide.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Taking away the parking is how you get alternatives. They won't ever happen until the public is properly motivated to support them.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd much rather they do away with votes for transit. There are never votes on road widening, new bridges, new interchanges, etc. But it always seems that transit must be put to a vote.

Just build the damn thing and stop asking.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They put it to a vote because they don't want to build it and are looking for an excuse not to.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Oh I'm well aware. It's just very frustrating is all.

[–] tracer_ca@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

Yup. Perfect is the enemy of good. If you wait for everything to be just right, nothing ever happens.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Taking away parking must be done while also providing alternatives, or you just have a bunch of homes and businesses that are inaccessible. This is especially the case if you want to integrate something like rail/tram access which has to have infrastructure considerations before construction even begins.

"Build now, "fix" later" is exactly how we ended up in the situation we're in now where they just keep throwing more and more buses at the problem.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"We can't reduce parking until alternative transportation infrastructure is perfect" is inevitably paired with "we can't build alternative infrastructure because there's no demand for it [because of too much free parking]." It's a dishonest tactic by concern-trolling reactionaries and "moderates" (in the "great stumbling block" to progress MLK sense) to manufacture an excuse to do nothing, every single time.

I've been doing bike/ped/transit activist stuff for over a decade, and that's the bullshit I've heard over and over and over and over. Y'all gotta stop falling for it!

[–] paige@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

“Can’t do a congestion charge until…” Is another I’ve heard lately

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

You can't though. People won't let you raise taxes to pay for it unless it makes them absolutely miserable. Even with this move I'll give it a 70/30 chance the municipal gov gets booted and minimums are reinstated.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

we’re in now where they just keep throwing more and more buses at the problem.

Sounds fine. Buses aren't perfect but they are flexible and don't require much infrastructure (ideally, they have a dedicated bus lane).

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There's parking In Montreal?

I suppose that's what potholes are for...

[–] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 10 points 5 months ago

It's the entrances to the new montreal wide underground parking to be started between now and years 2100 but the orange cone will be there from now till it's finish in 2573

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

The potholes are our patented traffic calming technology.

[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago
[–] sunzu@kbin.run 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Not over my dead Anglo Saxon body, fuxking filthy communist!

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
[–] sunzu@kbin.run 2 points 5 months ago

These are rookie numbers!

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] sunzu@kbin.run 4 points 5 months ago

X is next to C... Auto correct won't do me a solid here... I wonder why