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[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Taking away the parking is how you get alternatives. They won't ever happen until the public is properly motivated to support them.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd much rather they do away with votes for transit. There are never votes on road widening, new bridges, new interchanges, etc. But it always seems that transit must be put to a vote.

Just build the damn thing and stop asking.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They put it to a vote because they don't want to build it and are looking for an excuse not to.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Oh I'm well aware. It's just very frustrating is all.

[–] tracer_ca@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

Yup. Perfect is the enemy of good. If you wait for everything to be just right, nothing ever happens.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Taking away parking must be done while also providing alternatives, or you just have a bunch of homes and businesses that are inaccessible. This is especially the case if you want to integrate something like rail/tram access which has to have infrastructure considerations before construction even begins.

"Build now, "fix" later" is exactly how we ended up in the situation we're in now where they just keep throwing more and more buses at the problem.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"We can't reduce parking until alternative transportation infrastructure is perfect" is inevitably paired with "we can't build alternative infrastructure because there's no demand for it [because of too much free parking]." It's a dishonest tactic by concern-trolling reactionaries and "moderates" (in the "great stumbling block" to progress MLK sense) to manufacture an excuse to do nothing, every single time.

I've been doing bike/ped/transit activist stuff for over a decade, and that's the bullshit I've heard over and over and over and over. Y'all gotta stop falling for it!

[–] paige@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

“Can’t do a congestion charge until…” Is another I’ve heard lately

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

You can't though. People won't let you raise taxes to pay for it unless it makes them absolutely miserable. Even with this move I'll give it a 70/30 chance the municipal gov gets booted and minimums are reinstated.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

we’re in now where they just keep throwing more and more buses at the problem.

Sounds fine. Buses aren't perfect but they are flexible and don't require much infrastructure (ideally, they have a dedicated bus lane).