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‘No way out without bloodshed’: the right believe the US is under threat and are mobilizing
(www.theguardian.com)
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I'm not really sure it should be up to 70 year olds whether we have a civil war. It's the young people that will have to live in it's wake, should it happen.
You can apply that logic to most decisions this country makes.
Why the hell are we letting 70 year olds dictate energy policy? They're not gonna see the full brunt of climate change.
Why are they involved in foreign policy? They're not going off to war.
Economics? Most of the people they talk to are retired or rich. tf do they know about making rent in 2024?
Honestly, this may sound controversial... but if we deny teens the vote, I'm not certain why the hell we allow retirees to vote.
Can't vote for the first 18 years of your life? Can't vote for the last 18 either (based on average life expectancy), just watch how things improve dramatically if such a measure is put in place.
Same logic with holding elected positions, if people younger than X can't be elected then people older than (life expectancy - X) can't either. And yes, I realize that it leaves very few years for men to become president in the US' case and that's not a bad thing at all.
Anything that motivates increasing the national average life expectancy is a good thing
You don't want Bernie to vote?
I don't want anyone that won't live with the consequences of their political decisions to be in a position where they get to decide for those who will.
It would mean losing a few progressive voices, but also losing a ton of far right and center right voices and opening the door to people who actually have a reason to care for what's going to happen in the next 50 years because it concerns then directly.
On the flip side, young folks vote influences things like social security and medicare. Given that everyone of all ages is subject to various government policies, often uniquely, you cannot have a system where you can identify a subpopulation that 'shouldn't count' by that logic.
And young folks influence it in their favor for the long term which also benefits people that are currently old instead of old folks pulling the ladder after them.
He can vote a little as a treat.
Some care. Some don't want their grandchildren to suffer. But right wingers never care regardless of their age. They're selfish assholes.
The voter demographics from the last presidential election has 52% of voters being age 50+, with 52% of those voters voting for Trump.
It's certainly not all older voters, but it is most of them.
I mean - its the press amplifying the opinion of some irrelevant old geezer who's just calling others to violence. I wouldn't really concern yourself too much with these idiots.
Sadly that’s pretty much always the case with war, the youth pay the bill for the elderly
And the poor pay the bill for the rich and powerful.
FWIW, I know 70some and 80some year olds that can still think critically and know what doom is on the horizon if Orange Satan's Rectum wins. Intelligence, as well as stupidity, transcend how many years one has rode around the yellow fusion ball.
Their ability to think isn't what I'm really talking about. No matter what, an 80 year old is writing checks someone else has to cash. Maybe we do need to have a big fuck off war to end these fascist fucks once and for all, but that's not an 80 year old's decision, you know?
It used to be the old guided the young into the future. Somehow with the last generation, rather than transition, they've vice-gripped the entire system to hold onto the 1950s until their hands are bleeding. I see what you are saying with regards to the decision, and we have seen many of the olds make "fuck you, I got mine" decisions every day. I suppose I was just pointing out that they're not all bad. There's just that greedy psychotic vocal minority holding all the keys to shit all over everyone. To solve that? Maybe we do need a big fuck off war. Really wish it wouldn't have to come to that though. Waiting it out doesn't even work because modern medicine keeps extending their lives.
I didn't mean to imply they are bad. I'm fifty. I'm not really including myself in the group of people who should be calling those particular shots, but I also want to be part of the solution and I hope it doesn't come to that. My grandpa fought in WW2. I don't want my kids or grandkids to face that. But sometimes the world doesn't care what we want.
So do you support taking away their ability to vote then?
Not the other commenter, but I could only support that if they are legally proven mentally unfit to care for themselves. I know that is a high bar, but there's really no good argument for restricting anyone's right to vote.
Don't forget the generation of radicalized vets from desert wars.
Is there any valid evidence of this radicalization? Anecdotally, I've been in the Global War of Terrorism social circles, and they seem to be pretty even with their political distribution, maybe a little more right leaning, but I think that's due more to lack of higher education than military experience. What I think happens is that the right likes to make logical fallacy appeals, so they exploit radical veterans by giving them a louder voice.
It reminds me of a scene from The Big Lebowski.
Rather than be a rational level-headed support like The Dude, the right exacerbates their struggles to exploit them.
I lived and worked among many over the last two decades. So, just anecdotal experience. https://www.rand.org/news/press/2024/04/09.html
Yeah, it seems like misplaced anger that is masking underlying pain and sadness to me. The right-wing leaders take advantage of their mental health issues for their own selfish goals. It's disgusting.
That is the story of the right. My father-in-law is sitting on his couch with his drug addicted son, who has never had a job, railing against Hunter Biden. My grandmother is 80 years old and is worried that we are days away from going door to door and pulling Christians out in the street. My mother is full up on social programs and benefits but it's the "others" that are making her life worse. Mental health issues, sadness, inability of reflecting....lots of excuses.
To be fair, he did give another option.