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[–] Saff@lemmy.ml 105 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.

[–] Norgur@fedia.io 102 points 5 months ago (34 children)

“Extra Level”? It's more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?

[–] Saff@lemmy.ml 76 points 5 months ago

Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You can already do that with condoms and no one is messing up their body...

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Exactly.

Condoms would be 99% effective if they could be made idiot-proof.

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sucks you're being down voted, I mean maybe saying "idiot-proof" isn't nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I'm currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can't tell you the amount of times I've had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I'm in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

It's the Internet.

People downvote a lot of stuff.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Like keep in mind I'm in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.

Bummer.

2/3 of the states will follow in another year. That's what happens when we elect people no matter how badly they do their jobs.

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I'm not voting for this scum, but yeah, we'll see. Hoping it'll make it to the ballot so the people can actually vote to amend the state constitution like others have. The people may be dumb at electing Representatives, but get a straight forward measure up for vote and the people seem to follow through in correcting it.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Condoms are only 99% effective. You NEED a second layer of defence.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I've had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they're "professional condom putters onners".

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

It's not the condom's fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn't let sperm through, it's that simple, it's been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don't want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.

Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren't in bed with them isn't much of a proof, it's as valid as me telling you I've never got any girl pregnant even when we weren't using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the "disease," the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it's very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What's stopping us from treating birth control the same way?

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's medical ethics, not the Hippocratic Oath. Most doctors swear to an ethical standard. Besides, "first, do no harm" is a bit unhelpful if you're a surgeon.

Otherwise you're right, the risks of pregnancy outweigh the side effects of birth control, which is why birth control for women doesn't have as high a standard for mitigating other consequences.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

we can finally share the load and mess up everyone because of not affording babies!

[–] Norgur@fedia.io 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It's baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are...

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Right? I'm at the point where I can't possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.

[–] Norgur@fedia.io 9 points 5 months ago

I've got one, but I wouldn't want another one every year, and I certainly would not want to stop having fun times with the wife either...

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

i was half joking but i use contraceptives because i cant afford one.

i'm not even thinking about 10 and never will.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

share the load

Sorry. I’m a child.

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