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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 132 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Why are we discussing a screenshot of a title and not the article?

Why did OP take the effort to take a screenshot of a title, upload it then post this instead of linking to the article?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/millennials-are-quiet-vacationing-rather-than-asking-their-boss-for-pto-there-s-a-giant-workaround-culture/ar-BB1mMKWd

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 182 points 7 months ago

Millennials Are "Quietly Screenshotting" Headlines Instead Of Linking To Articles: "Probably Something To Do With Avocado Toast" expert warns.

[–] zout@fedia.io 97 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Workers who receive 11 to 15 days of PTO each year are more likely to use up their days, Rodney says, but there's a significant drop-off once people get 16 or more days.

And here I am, thinking my 30 days are too little.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My friend has unlimited PTO. He’s not even shamed for using it.

I’m envious.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Typically, people take fewer days off when "unlimited", as they don't feel they are owed any particular amount.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Also, in the US, employers have to pay departing employees for any unused PTO. If the PTO is "unlimited," there's (perhaps counterintuitively) nothing to reimburse.

[–] tkohldesac@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Wow, I hadn't even considered this. Here I was jealous.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, having had both paid out PTO and unlimited, I'll take unlimited. It sounds like you're getting fucked by not getting your PTO paid out, but you also aren't incentivized to hold onto your PTO on the off chance you get paid out if you leave. I've found my mental health to be better now that I'm actively taking my leave instead of rationing it since I can just take it without wondering if I'm going to have to take an unpaid day late in the year.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

If your employer is halfway decent, sure. Unfortunately some (like mine) will start denying pto requests once you hit 2 weeks. So then you say "fine, I'll take it unpaid" and they say "that's not an option." The fuck it is...

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

You and I have been in very similar positions.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

That's only true in California. Accrued PTO does not have to be paid out, nor rolled into the next year. Some employers will pay it out but it's not a law. Except in California.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 months ago

Fair! I suppose find myself with sooo much excess vacation time since WFH means I don’t have to take “me” days to recharge like I did when I had to go into a horrible open office every day.

[–] orangeNgreen@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I’m technically offered 10 days. I’m lucky if I use 6 or 7…

[–] grrgyle 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is it because they wouldn't be approved? If I have leftovers near the end of the year I just take a few Fridays off, giving myself some long weekends

[–] orangeNgreen@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

No, I think my supervisor would approve as many days as I want as long as I also get all of my work done. There’s always just too much work to do, it seems.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But that's not your problem. If you cannot handle the work assigned to you, you are overworked and that's the fault of your employer. I think what millennials and zoomers are doing is just not falling for the bullshit we've been living with for so long.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I think this bullshit is more prevalent today than in the past. Companies found more loopholes to go around (for example unlimited vacations[1]), the worker protections aren't enforced as strictly.

I believe this phenomenon is likely US specific.

[1] unlimited vacations look great on paper, but with them the company no longer needs to track of 2 weeks of vacations, so they no longer need to pay them when you leave the company and not used them and also doesn't have to force you to use it. The peer pressure makes you unlikely to take more anyway to not look like a slacker.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago

There will always be more work to be done. You can work until your dying day and there will still be more. Make your life worth living.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 13 points 7 months ago

There’s always just too much work to do, it seems.

I remember reading a quote from someone that said something along the lines of "No one on their deathbed ever says 'I wish I'd spent more time at the office'".

[–] grrgyle 9 points 7 months ago

God, same. But please realise that it's not your fault if you have more work than can be done. Take the time off to refresh. Both your mental health and your work performance will be the better for it.

I've recently got in the habit of scheduling all of my time off for the year in one go. Sure sometimes I regret it, because I'm right in the middle of something when time off comes, but ah well

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

The shareholders:

o7

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

the beauty of having time off is not having to give a fuck about boss' problems.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

Consider taking alternate Mondays and Fridays, same 4 day week, but a 4 day weekend every other week.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

So wait, those 10 days are just the maximum limit and not the minimum limit?

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago
[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

Use it or lose it.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you can buy more days off through the benefits system?

[–] zout@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One of my biggest social media pet peeves. A screenshot of a headline is a useless post. They either took the screenshot and chose to not include the link or - more likely - they copied it from some Instagram page

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It denies everyone the article, it's not searchable, and it's inaccessible for people using things like screen readers. People who screenshot text deserve a special place in hell.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

It's one step above "memes" that are just text. I include Lisa Simpson/Spiderman on stage and similar templates in that category of garbage posts

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not the point...and the guy I was replying to posted the link already. My issue is that posting a screenshot without the article means you have to then look it up

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

Ok. Just trying to save you some time, internet friend.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

I'm not sure the goal of an article like this is to be read. Looks like something that was written for the headline only.

But yeah, the article backpedals and blames management for employees not taking PTO.

(And 11 to 15 days of PTO an year is the good example? WTF, US?)