During much of its history, and especially during the Francoist dictatorship (1939–1975), the Catalan language was ridiculed as a mere dialect of Spanish.[60][61] This view, based on political and ideological considerations, has no linguistic validity.[60][61]

Wikipedia: Catalan language

[–] occhineri@feddit.de 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

nota: el mapa sola muestra las variedades de ~~español~~ castellano, no las demás lenguas habladas en España

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This statement seems to be wrong, as there are at least three languages that are not dialects of Castellano here (likely more)

[–] occhineri@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Afaik, castellano is spoken everywhere, at least as a secondary language. Hence I understand the map to show regional variants of castellano spoken either exclusively or secundary to another local language.

Edit: precised my input a bit since it led to misunderstandandings

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If 100 % of Indians start using English as their lingua franca (they're on a track to just that), does that make Hindi a dialect of English?

The sociopolitical reality of a lingua franca does not define the scientific linguistic reality of other languages.

I will say that personally the notion of catalan being a subset of castellan sounds ridiculous on account of the fact that in its written form catalan is roughly mutually intelligible with french, where castellan is not. If it's going to be lumped in as a dialect of something, it'd be more intellectually honest to make it a dialect of French.

[–] occhineri@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's not what I've said. Also, there are a lot more languages spoken in India than just Hindi and English is only used by a relatively small elite afaik

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

precised my input a bit

I love when other words make such excellent verbs

[–] TheCoolerMia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

yeh more in that list like vasco r also languages but that list includes both languages and dialects which I guess is why neither of these words were used

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They are all wrong (except Catalan, because that's a different language and closer to French than Spanish)

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I can't understand what happens in this thread, do you disagree that listed are Spanish (which is true, a lot of listed languages are not dialects of Spanish)? Why do you only make an exception for Catalan then?

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The only one I personally know isn't Spanish is Catalan which is why I called it out. I'm being tongue-in-cheek about Iberian Spanish (or Spanishes) being the "wrong" type of Spanish vs. Latin American varieties.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago

Ah, I see. What I know for granted is that Valenciano is very close to Catalano, and Vasco is an isolated language, so at least two more. But from what I heard, there really are quite many languages that are not dialects of Spanish in Spain

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bro I love that cheese

[–] TheCoolerMia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago

and who doesnt love some churros? :3

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 9 points 6 months ago

Well, technically…

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The north-west speaks Portuguese, the north-east speaks french, basques speak a language that's not even Indo-European. South is rednecks, and the rest is madrid + some desert. But, sure, the the nice infographic from someone else.

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's wild to me that Basque seems to have just evolved on its own, and that it's survived

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

No no, at some point a large part of Europe spoke Basque-like languages. Then Indo-European languages spread westward from Russia, and replaced all the rest.