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The major problem here is that the US is owned by the oil industry and they will never allow competitive EVs to be built here. The US could easily match what China's doing, but those subsidies go to oil instead.
The U.S. as well as Europe should definitely shift subsidies away from fossil fuels to renewables, and their industries could technologically keep up with China's. However, it wouldn't solve the problem here imo, as China has a structural overcapacity across the whole supply chain.
In a nutshell, China will do everything to flood the market with ever cheaper products. Its state policy has always been incentivizing lower prices for larger market share, but this policy has reached unprecedented levels (and not just in EV car market, btw.).
A major reason for this is Beijing's bias against a 'social welfare' state for the benefit of industry subsidies. During the pandemic, the government provided high company subsidies to keep people employed, but no household support (which left and is still leaving domestic consumption low). The federal and local governments provided their subsidies irrespective of firms' profitability. Knowing that the Chinese state-planned system traditionally rewards the mentioned scale of business over financial health, firms increased their production capacities even more, hoping to compensate lower margins with volume.
The result is now a massive and increasing overcapacity that can't be absorbed by the domestic market.
Sorry for the long post.
Not with the unions in the US they can't. Part of the reason China is able to produce cheap cars is because they have cheap labor.
Including widespread use of slave labor. It doesn't get any cheaper.
Are you referring to prison labor?
I'm referring to Chinese slave labor, which is not even remotely comparable to American prison labor.
The US has roughly 0.3% of it's population as slave labor. China has 0.4%. That looks pretty comparable to me
Just to check your numbers:
5.8 million slaves in China in 2021 (0.41%).
800,000 prison laborers in America that same year (0.24%).
For as flawed as the American judicial and prison systems are, they are not even remotely as awful as China's - and neither is the labor performed by American prison laborers compared to China's slaves. They are not the same. Chinese slaves aren't even given a trial - they are just randomly picked off the street and forced to work themselves to death.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery
800 000 isn't the total count of slaves in the US
Report back to me when American prison laborers start hiding pleas for help in items they are producing.
https://lithub.com/on-receiving-an-anonymous-sos-letter-from-china-about-religious-persecution/
So we've settled on the numbers are comparable, but some stuff in China might be more severe?