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I mean we could go back to being hunter gatherers with no electricity, roads, police, government etc..But in order to have the comforts of life, we need peoples to do stuff and cooperate and coordinate.. think about who runs the cables for your Internet or maintains the cell towers, picks up your trash, grows the avocados for your guacamole, manufactures the medicines..etc etc..If nobody has a job, nothing gets done.. think about living off the grid and the logistics associated with it, that's just a small taste
I unironically believe that these things would get done without the need of coercing people to do them by stripping them of the means of survival. Anthropology backs me up on this one.
Show me some horsey sourcey cuz
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
Also: The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow. Basically: anything by Graeber.
Did you just use a book written in 1902 as a source
Is the origin of species out of date, cause it is older?
Also, the bulk of Graeber's work is from the 21st century.
You can just say that you don't want to believe me, you know.
I don't believe you
As I said: if you want contemporary anthropological sources: read basically any book by David Graeber. Mutual Aid is a bit old, but still relevant, too.
Give me some excerpts, quotes or a chapter, using whole books is a little vague and isn't getting your point across. Yeah Darwin's book is still relevant but we have also learned a lot more with his theories as the foundation(comparing biology to anthropology?). Your books are working off of what the primitive societal needs of long ago were, right? Do you really think that those same concepts apply to the society of today?
Look, I'm not ananthropologist and I'm trying to sneak in some lemmy while no one's watching at work, so I'm not going to be able to immediately supply you with concise excerpts of anthropological learnings on human nature.
The gist of Mutual Aid is that cooperation within a species is a vital factor of evolution. That's why I namedropped Darwin. That thesis complements the origin of species.
Still doesn't mean that you can't learn anything from a book published in 1902, or that it's not worth reading anymore.
Why is this controvertial? Aren't humans a biological species? Anthropology and biology are about as connected as physics and math is.
No, they aren't (exclusively). They give testimony of how we got here and that things can be different as they are now.
Yes, at least partly. The human brain has had the same biology for the last 100.000 years. You can learn things about human nature from this massive time scale. The basic gist of basically everything Graeber wrote is that societies are formable things. The societies we form will in turn change the way humans interact with each other (changing "human nature"). This in turn means that the whole notion of "progress" being a linear thing, only going into one, unchangeable direction is wrong.
I think you are confused about what you believe in. It's ok, we have all been there bud
I think you are quite an arrogant prick.
That sure is one way to not have to engage and still feel superior, huh? /s
I lik u. Wil u b frend?
There's a qualitative question in what the "free" tier entails. If it's basic survival, then that might be "affordable" with room to motivate. If the adequate food was "bachelor chow and water", ok. If the "home" is a basic bed with a lockable door in a walkin closet sized room, ok.
If we say everyone should get all you can eat buffet with quality apartments, then you start eroding the mechanism to motivate people to do work that needs to be done.
I'd like to distance myself from the individualistic, service-oriented notion that an allayou-can-eat-buffet entails.
Give people free homes and a community and they'll sooner or later create an all you can eat potluck.
Imagine if we had a universal basic income and people got paid more than that if they had a job?
Oh wait, that's the whole fucking idea.
You are soo cute, do u have pp
Not everyone HAS to work. There are plenty of homeless people now who don't work. People can choose to work to increase their pay and quality of life. Even if all my needs were met, I'd still like to buy things, travel, etc. The people making the most money in this world right now are definitely not the people who are working the hardest, nor are they cooperating and coordinating for everyone's best interest.