I recently finished the episode of The Verge's podcast #Decoder with the interview to Bluesky's CEO and it seems a quite interesting project. At the beginning I wasn't looking really into it because of their choice of using a new protocol instead of the existing ActivityPub, but after listening to her and the reasons behind this choice maybe I'll give them a chance.

What do you think? Do you use it alongside with the fediverse?

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[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

At the beginning I wasn't looking really into it because of their choice of using a new protocol instead of the existing ActivityPub

And yet, here we are with another conversation about something in the wrong place.

As for BlueSky and their illusion of federation, what's to talk about? Anyone can host a server, but all posts need to be indexed by the server of which they're in charge of otherwise they don't appear in anyone's timelines? It's like the emperor's new clothes. They wash their hands of moderation and the majority of hosting costs and you feel empowered, only for them to say, yeah, we're, for example, inserting ads and you need to be okay with that.

Everyday, I read something here about why Facebook or BlueSky are better than what we have. I don't even think the people that post this stuff work for either company. I just think they've been indoctrinated and they don't realise that they're attempting to push us all towards the very things so many of us consciously and determinedly walked away from.

I don't want to be part of a centralised service. Even one that cosplays as federated. I don't want Facebook to have my data nor do I want to interact with any of their services. I personally chose the Fediverse because I liked the values it exhibited and I enjoy the community. Everyday I get to laugh at things, learn things, share things and just be generally entertained. Can the fediverse improve? Sure; But neither Meta nor BlueSky are the solution. I genuinely wish both would piss off.

[–] shaked_coffee@feddit.it 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And yet, here we are with another conversation about something in the wrong place.

Well, this is is a place to talk about fediverse and ActivityPub, and mine wanted to be the starting point for a discussion about the two protocols and how they compare with each other, if it was actually worth it to create a new protocol or not etc.

I was not pretending that Bluesky is better than the Fediverse, it's just different and I'm convinced that discussing about how others do stuff can benefit the Fediverse too.

BlueSky and their illusion of federation, what's to talk about? Anyone can host a server, but all posts need to be indexed by the server of which they're in charge of otherwise they don't appear in anyone's timelines?

As for this, it was my main perplexity after I listened the podcast since they didn't really entered into the details of how the "multiple servers, one timeline" work. Do you by chance have any resource/link I could read to learn more about that and clarify my doubts?

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 1 points 7 months ago

Sure: https://lemmy.world/search?q=BlueSky&type=Posts&listingType=All&communityId=2&page=1&sort=TopAll

[–] dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You mean the same illusion of decentralisation that the fedi offers? Where AP is largely mastodon centric and identity is tethered to an instance? Where a user is at the whims of an admin? With the networks being so small those admins have more of an impact on everyday users than Musk. They’re not hand waving moderation. They have a Trust and Safety team, third party, custom feeds, all of the same user level controls any social platform has and goes above that with their labelling system. Especially, when it comes to illegal content they’re in better position to protect their teams and users than fedi, which directly exposes admins/mods to harm and has no resources to help their mental health. You called others indoctrinated but that’s how you come across and spewing fallacies

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 1 points 7 months ago

You mean the same illusion of decentralisation that the fedi offers?

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Where AP is largely mastodon centric

Centric is not centralised though is it?

identity is tethered to an instance?

But not a central instance or indexer?

Where a user is at the whims of an admin?

Like they have a choice, because it's not centralised

With the networks being so small those admins have more of an impact on everyday users than Musk.

So decentralisation then?

You called others indoctrinated but that’s how you come across and spewing fallacies

Have a good day