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Want a 3D printer in New York? Get ready for fingerprinting and a 15 day wait (www.nysenate.gov)
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cross-posted from: https://ttrpg.network/post/4222671

Want a 3D printer in New York? Get ready for fingerprinting and a 15 day wait

Assembly Bill A8132 has been assigned a "Same As" bill in the Senate: S8586 [NYSenate.gov] [A8132 - 2023]

I don't own a gun, I never have and I don't plan to at any time in the future. But if these pass in the NYS Senate and Congress, it would be required to submit fingerprints for a background check then wait 15 days, before you could own any "COMPUTER OR COMPUTER-DRIVEN MACHINE OR DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBJECT FROM A DIGITAL MODEL."

This isn't even going to stop any crimes from happening, for pity sakes regular guns end up in criminal charges all the time, regardless of background check laws. How about some real change and effective measures, rather then virtue-signaling and theater illusion for a constituency?

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[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I see. I should have been clearer. You went from seeing this statement by me:

Gun owners might have to deal with some extra process in the acquisition of a tool explicitly capable of sending projectiles at lethal speeds

To then this next reply by me:

By this logic, you should also have to jump through those same hoops to get things that can be used to create with minimal experience said tools explicitly capable of sending projectiles at lethal speeds

Nope. Not my argument in the slightest? Guns are made for it, have hoops for what it’s made for, especially when it’s used for stuff you don’t generally like.

And then reading that the it in "Guns are made for it" is referring to crime... and not "sending projectiles at lethal speeds", and that "when it’s used for stuff you don’t generally like" is something other than "crimes / gun violence"? I might be wrong here. It's hard to understand how it is you are reading it, that is different from what is clarified so many times.

In any case, I don't think we think sufficiently in the same way in order to have any hopes of a productive conversation. The stuff I've written is congruent enough that you should be able to get my point, if you either read it enough times, or ask a friend. To help you along: this doesn't mean that I expect you to agree with me, but at least you know what it is you would be disagreeing with.

Just keeeep moving those goalposts and avoiding my argument.

You have to state your arguments in a way that are relevant to my arguments. Which requires you to first understand my arguments. I'm not avoiding your arguments, I'm just ignoring them because they are not relevant to my arguments. I hope you see the difference. Not addressing a red herring is ignoring something irrelevant to the original premise.

I will not reply to anything beyond this. (Again, this is meant as a courtesy. I don't want to waste your time). Have a good one.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

By all means don't respond, but it's adorable that you act so high and mighty while also throwing jabs you perceive as intelligent enough to not be rude as hell, (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not intentionally a dick.)

Though, implications abound, I likely shouldn't give you that benefit, as it would track with the rest of your imply-then-deny strategy.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It reached the point of being very much intentional. But hey, your reading comprehension is better than I gave you credit for. Good on you.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

"Reached the point" mmhmm.