The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

OK Yeah that's a pretty big contradiction to what I've been told.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Western media is pure propaganda at this point.

[–] trebuchet@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The British news outlet The Guardian: "Many predicted Nato expansion would lead to war. Those warnings were ignored."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

[–] Skua@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

By "the Guardian" here what you mean is "an opinion piece from the fucking Cato Institute"

It was an excellent question, and neither the Clinton administration nor its successors provided even a remotely convincing answer.

The answers are South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Transnistria

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Russia said since 2014 this was about NATO. Even before they protested strongly the NATO expansion. So how can it not be about NATO? You're either completely uninformed or lying.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You have the media literacy of a fly. Not even Russia supporters believe this is about NATO.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Uh… yes, we do? I mean not only about NATO, but definitely also about NATO. Even liberals like Jeffrey Sachs and radlibs like Noam Chomsky and undead ghouls like Henry Kissinger agree.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's an element but anyone saying the war was started because of NATO is clearly bullshitting. Now if you were to ask why the war is still going on despite both sides wanting peace, NATO is a pretty succinct and accurate explanation.

[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

and US fascists say banning trans people is about protecting children. only a fool believes the narrative of a fascist

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Well if you insist on not taking Russia seriously - then you must be very pleased with the result. Maybe you should call Putin a Hitler a few more times, that will solve everything :D