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A year after she was shot by her 6-year-old student in a Virginia classroom, former teacher Abby Zwerner said she still worries about the other children who saw it happen, and wonders how they’re faring.

Wounded by a bullet that struck her hand and chest and punctured a lung, Zwerner rushed the other first-graders into the hallway before she collapsed in the elementary school’s office.

“I hope that they are enjoying school, enjoying their second-grade year,” Zwerner, 26, told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper. “I hope that they’re still kind to their classmates, kind to teachers. I hope that they still have happiness, and that their happiness wasn’t completely stripped away.”

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Punishment for irresponsible gun storage wouldn't make a dent. All it would achieve is putting more people in jail, not actually preventing mass shootings.

Ban semi auto guns. Bolt / lever / pump / hammer (etc) action weapons only. That is plenty for hunting and defense scenarios.

Realistically, it'd have to be a long, multi phase roll out of voluntary surrenders, followed by crime enhancements, followed by open warrants.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

and will stand up to 2A challenges

You seem to have dropped this.

And who do you imagine is voluntarily surrendering? Not sure what you propose here.

followed by crime enhancements, followed by open warrants

Doesn't that contradict your second sentence?

As far as bans go, some people obey the law, some do not. There's also this.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

All of your questions are addressed my first, succinct, comment. There's no point in arguing with you if you're going to ignore the points, I know where this goes.

Edit - ok, you had one point that wasn't addressed. 2A. You have the right to bear arms. Multi action guns are arms. Just like we don't have a right to full automatic guns, we don't have a constitutional right to semi automatic guns.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of people on the left would voluntarily surrender their guns.

[–] grue@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Ban semi auto guns. Bolt / lever / pump / hammer (etc) action weapons only. That is plenty for hunting and defense scenarios.

The 2^nd^ Amendment exists for the purpose of ensuring "the security of a free State." Bolt / lever / pump / hammer (etc) action weapons don't cut it for that purpose in the 21^st^ century.

Instead, we should take a page from Switzerland: issue everybody a military-standard assault rifle and force them to train with it, but don't let anybody keep any ammo.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The 2nd amendment states that a well regulated malitia is necessary for the security of a free state. It does not state that armed citizens are necessary.

Before you bring up DC vs Heller, please first address how using originalism to rewrite the constitution is reasonable by an appellate court.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Ever look up the definition of "militia?" It's literally every able-bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45. I mean, sure, it needs a little updating to get rid of the sexism and ageism, but it really is pretty much "everybody!"

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Please stop leaving out the important parts. Clarifying components of a law are very important. Your link clearly states that there are 2 classes of the militia and the 2nd class is unorganized and therefore not part of the "well regulated militia". The unorganized militia is everyone not in the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Additionally, by your interpretation, anyone over the age of 45 would not be a part of the militia and would therefore not have a right to bear arms. Including Heller who would therefore have lacked standing. Would you agree? If you do not, please explain.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Your link clearly states that there are 2 classes of the militia and the 2nd class is unorganized and therefore not part of the “well regulated militia”.

That just means it needs to be better regulated, which is exactly what I proposed to do.

Additionally, by your interpretation, anyone over the age of 45 should therefore surrender their firearms.

What part of "sure, it needs a little updating to get rid of the sexism and ageism" did you not understand?

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was editing my prior comment while you were writing this. Please see the updated version.

I think you've misunderstood the link you provided. Part of the militia is explicitly not regulated because the civilian population is not part of the National Guard.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I think you’ve misunderstood the link you provided. Part of the militia is explicitly not regulated because the civilian population is not part of the National Guard.

No, I understood just fine (condescend much?). You, however, misunderstood what I wrote, which is proposing to CHANGE THAT by imposing weapons training requirements on everybody, National Guard or not.

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

How far can the American 2nd amendment allow? Where, between a sling shot and a nuclear warhead, is the line in the sand?

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"free State"
...
"force them"

Ummm, no.