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You're getting downvoted to hell here, but you're completely right. Punk was a cultural moment that was alive and relevant from the late 70s to early 80s, a kind of nihilistic tabula rasa that was codified into a "genre" after the fact. All of the original punk bands sounded different from each other, then from the early 80s onwards all new punk bands sounded the same. Bands like Green Day and Rancid were probably the last nail in the coffin.
The spirit of what punk was lives on here and there in other expressions, but is rarely labeled as "punk". If a band calls themselves punk rock today, they're either doing some kind of museological work or they're working for someone trying to sell you leather jackets. (HC should probably be considered as a separate movement altogether.)
Yeah, nah. There was a doco series like 4yrs ago. Ended with Henry Rollins going "everyone sys punk's dead. It's not. It's still out there. It's playing for a warm beer for each band member at some club. It's playing some kids basement show" and as much as I don't always agree with the guy, he's not wrong... Like, I could rattle off 5 new punk bands to me this year. Could do more if I sat down and went through what I listened to, but those 5 stood out over an onslaught of electronica, metal, indie, etc. If you think the youth of today isn't just as disaffected as the youth of the 70s, I have a bridge to sell you...
No one is saying that, they're probably a lot more disaffected as a whole. That's not to say they as a group are turning to a 45+ year old subculture to alleviate their disaffection. I could rattle off a few new dixieland acts as well, that doesn't mean dixieland is currently a living, vibrant art form. There's always going to be reenactors and there's nothing wrong with that per se.
Punk has never been more alive than it is now. Political discord is where it thrives. And if you don't think the current political climate is discordant... Well... Like, fuck. Yeah, what many would consider modern punk is very far removed from what was made in the 70s. But there's still kids making that punk and its still being made in general. Just look on Bandcamp, there's enough new punk every day on there to drown any mortal. But no, it's easier to be an idiot...
Nobody's arguing there isn't music that calls itself punk being made today. This isn't going anywhere...have a nice evening.
You literally are... Thanks for admitting punks not dead and it's still being created every day and is flipping it's middle finger at you though. Cos. Fuck. You. And report me, what ever. I found punk decades ago, and people like you just want to split and divide us, never understand us... Mainly cos you're weak...
You literally know nothing about me and are insulting a strawman of your own making. I don't care and you shouldn't either. Sincerely, have a nice evening.
I know all I need to know about you. That you are an idiot. And if you didn't care, why do you keep replying? I care cos you are objectively wrong. But I dunno why you are so set on being so wrong...
I appreciate the reply. And might I ask if you also find it ironic that in disagreeing with the “punk” label, I’m being hive-mind downvoted by those defending the ideology and nomenclature of a movement that would stand against such behavior?
It’s almost as if these kids don’t get it. Which kind of makes my point for me.
You're trying to gatekeep people out of punk. Lots of people in punk scenes of any time period would give you shit for that.
And sometimes if most people are disagreeing with you, it might be because you're wrong and not a "hive mind"
Nah, this isn't irony. Punk has always stood against misinformation. You would've been downvoted even harder back in the day.