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DMs, how do you like to handle counterspell for enemies and players? (lemm.ee)
submitted 1 year ago by DonnieDarkmode@lemm.ee to c/dnd@lemmy.world
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Just a note in case anyone is worried I’m adding a mage to every encounter, I very rarely use counterspell against my players; it’s one of the spells I consider to have high “fun-ruining” potential.

I’m struggling a bit to decide on how to handle this interaction in a way that feels fair. From my understanding RAW, a character doesn’t know what spell is being cast. I think you can use your reaction to make an arcana check to discern it, but of course then you can’t counterspell it. For enemy spellcasters I generally describe what’s being cast, instead of naming the spell right away, but it can slow combat down, and is a bit one-sided since when a player casts a spell they lead with “I cast X”. This leads to an imbalance where I’m aware of what’s needed to counterspell something while the players are not, and can cause some awkwardness trying to decide how to play around that without metagaming.

I can think of a few different ways to handle this, each with its own drawbacks, but I’m curious to hear what y’all do at your tables!

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[–] ProtonEvoker@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If the spell is on a pc’s class’s spell list and it has components (verbal, somatic, or material), they know if the spell is being cast (e.g. if the wizard sees someone casting Fireball, they recognize it from the arm movements, magic words, and the smell of guano and sulfur). If it isn’t, giving the player a DC (10 + level of the spell) Intelligence (Arcana) check to identify it would also be fair.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure but I dont think this addresses OP's concern re if you use your reaction to figure out the spell you cant then use your reaction to counterspell?

[–] ProtonEvoker@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Recalling information never requires an action, the check is just there to determine if you know something or not.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

right, yes- but if the spell isnt in their spell list do you then allow them to make an arcana (etc) check to see if they can work out what it is, and if the succeed would that qualify as their reaction?

[–] ProtonEvoker@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What I mean is that remembering stuff (like what someone casting a fireball looks like) is what 3rd edition would call a Free Action, like talking. You can do it as much as you like (that can reasonably fit into six seconds) at any time during the turn, and it doesn’t take up any resources (like your reaction). Even though you’re rolling a check, it isn’t using part of your turn.

If it did take a reaction to identify a spell as it’s being cast, that would mean that remembering something would take the same about of time and energy as an opportunity attack.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

yeah that makes sense, thanks :)

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

yeah thats all reasonable

[–] DonnieDarkmode@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah this would potentially be a nice solution; I do think it’s fair that if you see someone casting a spell you yourself can cast, you’ll recognize what it is. The one drawback I can see is that it requires me to have everyone’s spell list memorized, which increases the chances I miss one of the matches.

The more I think about the arcana check, the more I’m interested in it; initially I was worried adding additional checks every time somebody casts a spell could slow combat down too much, but maybe I’m overthinking that.