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It was either that or we go back to this. I rather not have my tax dollars wasted. I'm not defending what the farmers did but if they didn't the milk market would have collapsed which would have affected other parts of the market.
It's a complete mess. A cave full of cheese, literally.
Or donate it to homeless shelters? Feed the poor? Help the working class. Fuck your markets
How do you get it anywhere?
They couldn'tmove it my guy. There's no dairy Midwestern pipeline thats shucking butter across the US.
We actually did and as a matter offact people hated it. We giving them away to anybody that wanted it. It even became main stream as hip-hop artist would reference it. We even gave it to the military because the government doesn't know what to do with it and also as humanitarian aid across the world.
Did you read the article and reference links in the article?
So what you're saying is that because that one particular program didn't work.... We must never try helping again.
The program is still going on. WIC. Food banks. Military. Aid. We have like 2 billion pounds in Missouri that is just there going to waste and you want the government to buy even more for this to go to waste?
Why not just give more money to people that need food security?
In Europe, we also had warehouses full of butter and powdered milk that had to eventually be destroyed.
However, the whole capitalism vs. socialism debate really isn't all that relevant anymore.
All economies are mixed-mode nowadays, because governments are better at some things and free markets are better at other things.
The real issue isn't about choosing the right ideology, but rather the issue is about tweaking the right set of policies and rules.
Right now, we can really use some stronger unions and pro-labour policies. Whereas on climate change, we really need to start taxing fossil fuels higher and let markets adjust away from them.
This is the right perspective, in my opinion. Pure socialism will never work until humans further evolve, and pure capitalism also doesn't work for the same reason (i.e. greed/selfishness). A balanced blend of the two is the ideal path to a prosperous society.
It is a fine line and I agree there should be tweaking of the policies and rules to adapt through the years.
Go ahead and look up "america's cheese caves" if you need a chuckle and aren't already familiar.
I don't give a FUCK about markets I want cheap milk. Let them collapse.
Let the people that provide the milk collapse so you can get cheaper milk? How would that work?
They would stop producing milk altogether, which would then increase the price of milk as it becomes scarce.
what part about FUCK THE MARKETS do you not understand? produce food for people, not for wallets.
You forget demand as people gonna want their milk. Nobody is gonna stop producing milk completely.
Do capitalists not believe in the free market? If Farmer A and B stop because prices crashed, Farmer C will see an opportunity to fill in the void and produce milk.
But to destroy it to protect the markets should be a capital offense.
Ok Farmer C, by the time they start establishing a stable supply what will happen? Not everybody lives close to a farm or suppliers. What will cities do? What will be the price? You think it will just go to $1 for a gallon when there is no stable supply of suppliers to provide milk?
Look at prices of vehicles the more scarce it became the higher the price went. New companies are filling in the void, but prices take longer to fall to reasonable prices as it takes the new companies time to establish a stable supply and recognition of reliability.
"By ThE tImE ThEy StArT EsTaBlIsHiNg" shut up nerd you clearly don't care
Lol typical. Like magas no difference here.
I don't think when people want to implement a socialist idea they're gonna look to Reagan for tips
Lol this is high school level economics. No difference like I said.
nah they look at fucking Lenin
Idk usually secret police implies hierarchy which implies quite non-socalist ideals (to the extreme if there's a secret police lmao)
Lenin quickly implemented NEP