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They repeat the same mistakes again and again by believing naïvely in free speech absoutism and the infamous marketplace of ideas. Malicious actors such as fascists exploit that and defend their actions with "free speech". No thought is given for shaping the community.
Yes but that wouldn't be so bad. Unfortunately mostly innocent bystanders are doing the work for them. Afraid to be ostracized by the group they work to broaden existing rules and pretend that they are unjust because they limit "free speech".
The broader fediverse pretty much has this discussion 24/7. So many people saying that they "would rather use a server that has fewest rules, so that they can interact with the biggest part of it". But fewest rules isn't a measure of quality and applying this consequently would lead to no rules and basically no worthy content and protection of users. I am not saying that users have to be protected, they can choose whatever they want. But in reality people have certain expectations of social media, regarding content. So to make a nice space requires some effort.
My impression is that these people have the mental maturity of teenagers. They are used to mom cleaning up the house and get annoyed by the house-rules, but when they move out they are surprised that things get dirty when they are not regularly cleaning them.
I think your framing is a bit derogatory. I think it's better to take the situation as it is now and work with it. Different people have different expectations towards different media. Some people can't accept NSFW content on social media, some want to have very emotional and hard-handed discussions. I think both is fine.
It would be fine if that is what people actually wanted. But my impression is that most actually want a clean house or at least one they can still use at a reasonable state, but never so far realized that it takes effort and rules to have that and thus ignorantly say they don't want that if it inconveniences them. If they really wanted to have almost no rules, why aren't they on 4chan already (the equivalent of a monkey cage that gets flushed out with a water hose from time to time)?
Oh I see, I agree.