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Does this apply to all works of fiction, or only those believed by extremist groups?
I can understand not being allowed to burn historically significant documents and books, but mass-produced books are just cheap fire tinder.
If this goes through, my wife might get her wish when I disparage the Harry Potter books.
I'm too pretty for prison.
Just get an ass infection.
How about no burning anything in public? It's a stupid thing to do and proves nothing, risks starting unintended fires, or people injuring themselves, etc.
LOL. Of course, I don't advocate for burning things just to burn things.
I just don't think that burning your own books should be considered a crime.
Burning stuff is a classic protest move though, and that shouldn't be restricted either - within safety limits of course; i.e. Don't leave your burning flag, book, bra, whatever where it might destroy unrelated stuff.
If a book is important to one or more ethnic groups, burning it is a hate crime, period. Being mass produced has nothing to go with it.
Everything is important to someone, why do particular groups get privilege just because they're a religion. Should we ban the burning of Star Wars DVDs as that's a huge franchise with lots of hardcore fans who may get upset? Should it be illegal for me to burn a copy of Action Comics #1 because it's important to comic fans?
To answer your rhetoric question: Because people believe in it for some reason. If millions of people were crazy enough to think Star Wars happened and molded their lives after it, and you started burning Star Wars DVDs because you despise Star Warite refugees, yes, people would be very upset at you for doing that.
People are clearly burning religious text to demonstrate their contempt to a group of people, it's the definition of a hate crime.
Islam isn't an ethnic group, and your logic is insane.
Can't burn a dictionary cause one or more ethnic groups consider it important. Or the Bible.
Hate crime? Jesus get a grip.
I guess anti-senitism isn’t a thing in your book then?
Oh wait you burned all of yours away.
Jews are an odd outlier as it's both an ethnicity and a religion and one doesn't automatically indicate the other. You can have people with no ethnic link who are Jewish by dint of conversation to the religon, and ethnicly Jewish people who are entirely athiest. anti-Semitism is about racism against ethnicly Jewish people, not criticism of the religion.
You also missed the entire point of my comment, but keep going. Very enlightening.
If you don't understand why this refutes your comment, then you just need to keep re-reading it.
Or maybe you (and others here) need to re-read my response to understand what the point of it was. I understand what the person was saying, just don’t think bickering over how the Jewish people are a “multinational ethnic group” is relevant to the discussion.
I'm not claiming that anyone missed a point because I understand what is being argued.
Clearly.
Not really true, but I guess it depends on the country.
In the United States at least, burning your own book, flag, or whatever is legally protected free speech. Just as long as you aren't destroying someone else's property.
Context also matters. Burning bibles during a religious service is probably a thin line.
Nobody is coming for your copy of Mein Kampf
Nazis aren't an ethnic group. Burn the books, and the nazis.
Islam isn't an ethnic group.
When did I say it was? It is the primary religion of a lot of ethnic groups that are being persecuted.
Islam is an ethnic group?
No, it's a religion. But multiple ethnic groups are Muslim.
Hate speech, not a hate crime. In this case, the hate speech is criminal.