Alt text: an image of a poster with the text "Did you see: - A tent in the Wood? - Someone shoplifting? - A person sleeping in their car? No! You fucking didn't! People are struggling, don't make it worse
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exchanging tricks and experiences. discussing trends and events. connecting shoplifting to politcal theory and praxis. also memes.
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You could ask the folks of slrpnk.net in !meta@slrpnk.net how they see this.
Considering this instance also hosts a community about anarchism ( !anarchism@slrpnk.net) or dumpster diving ( !dumpsterdiving@slrpnk.net) I feel like they probably dont mind having some posts about illegal activities like shoplifting or theft from the workplace.
Now hold the fuck up. As a proud ex dumpster diver, there's a significant moral distinction between taking things people own and taking things people don't. When somebody throws something in the trash, they're giving up ownership of it. They're saying they don't want it anymore. It either goes to trash or it goes to someone who can make use of it.
And that can be illegal depending on local law, sure. But comparing dumpster diving to shoplifting is inaccurate and unfair.
And for that matter, anarchism is not illegal. And the implication that all anarchists steal, vandalize, and break the law, is nothing but propaganda.
And having written all this, I definitely think this sub should stay up, because solarpunk is anti-capitalist and radicals have long considered shoplifting an act of protest against capitalism - see "Steal This Book" for details on that. I just don't think your comparison to those specific other subs is a very good one.
Hey I feel like you interpreted things into my comment I did not intend. Maybe thats due to my wording, so sorry about that.
To me it seems like you are arguing against things I did not say and if you had given me the chance to explain why I choose those to communities, we probably would have had an easier time understanding each other because I agree with the general spirit of your comment.
Also I hope you have the chance to get back to rescuing food and other stuff! (if thats something you diesire to do)
Hi, no, thank you for responding and I apologize that I misunderstood and maybe came off too aggressive. It's the internet, I don't really expect people to respond to my comments, so my comments are mostly in the moment reactions rather than attempts to start a dialogue with the person I'm responding to. I suspect that's a bad Reddit habit to unlearn :)
Thank you and I wish you and this sub all the best!
I feel like growth as a motivation is really not something that fits the solarpunk mindset / idea and I believe the folks here, especially the admin and the mods, have enough integrity to stay true to their values.
If you are interested in the legality of dumster diving, this part of the wikipedia article on dumpster diving focuses on that. In most places where dumpster diving is legal, the trespassing committed to actually get to the dumpsters is not legal.
That is not exactly what I said in the DM ;) I do not plan to grow this instance beyond say 1k MAU or so and will rather close registrations completely.
I am slightly wary of this community, as it has the potential for a lot of unnecessary drama (as seen in similar communities on other websites), but only discussing shoplifting is IANAL not illegal and I personally find shoplifting not morally objectionable if done by poor people trying to somehow make ends meet (and the target is a large corporation or so).
But I think it might make sense to clarify the community rules of /c/shoplifting a bit to make it more clear what type of contributions are actually preferred.
tbh that's something I am unsure on how to approach. I would this to be a community where folks can celebrate shoplifting (as I stated in another comment) and at the same time I don't want to cause you and other server admins and other communities on this instance trouble with that. If you or others have any suggestions regarding this I would love to hear them. (Also in private messages if that's preferred.) At some point I will also try to make a post in !meta@slrpnk.net about this
"celebrate" seems an odd word in this context, but I do think our society needs to "normalize" that people need their basic needs covered one way or the other. If we as a society fail to provide the weakest with what is needed (despite surplus being available), we can't really complain about them trying to take it themselves. And this shouldn't be seen as charity, but rather as a human right.