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Democrats have to be deft and diplomatic and do the right things all the time that somehow appeal to all the Americans (including Americans on opposite sides like Palestine supporters and Israel supporters) and they lose if they fumble even a little bit.
Unlike the MAGA party of bigots who can't lose no matter how much of dipshits they are.
Bro BFFR Dems had Dick and Liz Cheney endorsing her, exactly what part of their base is a war criminal and his nepo baby supposed to appeal to?
Edit to add: this is who they sent to stump for Harris in Michigan and other swing states btw
That tiny minority of never trumpers
The same ones they had in 2020 because it turns out only 5% of Republicans know what republicanism is.
She also had Taylor Swift, Bernie Sanders, Obama, Mark Cuban, multple military generals endorsing her, among others.
But sure, it was the Cheneys that outweighed everyone else. That's the problem, not American voters who didn't think 'holy shit everyone across the sociopolitical landscape is coming together supporting her, trump is that much of a serious threat'.
Great work👍
You're in the headline, btw.
It's insane to me how Democrats keep appealing to the right, when their historically greatest turnout has been galvanizing their base like with Obama.
And yes, a war criminal's endorsement is more important to me than a pop star's. One of them actually works in policy.
I'm not American.
And most Trump voters/no voters are going to wish they weren't either in three or so years.
I...then why are you telling Americans that we're wrong for thinking the DNC ran a shit campaign?? Like, you're right, we're in for a FUCKED time starting January 2025, but did you really expect people to turn out on election night out of an existential threat? Does that happen where you live?
Harris didn't lose because everyone voted for Trump, Harris lost because the Dem's voter base felt so unheard by their own candidate regarding their issues that they stayed home, exactly as Bernie Sanders said. The numbers and voter stats are all there for people to read. Harris AND Trump got overall less votes than 2020, but Harris lost the Blue Wall from 2020. Hillary at least won the popular vote, Harris and the 2024 DNC don't even have that.
It doesn't matter where you are in the world, voter turnout correlates to progressives getting in power. The conservatives always have a core base of ~20-30% of voters that will always show up (no really, look up historical voter numbers in your own country), and the DNC have really tried appealing to these people in the US instead of bringing out their own base!
It's a flawed strategy because it's shown over and over again that these core voters will always vote through their conservative party lines.
You're right. Too stupid of me to think Americans would hold their noses and vote to keep someone who's objectively worse for the whole planet out of the oval office.
No unfortunately, but I live in a third world country full of uneducated population. Again, dumb of me to assume Americans would be any different.
And they're getting second Trump presidency. Good job riding that high horse. 👍
It's not a high horse, because I voted for Kamala Harris. But as someone who actually goes here, I knew this was going to be the exact outcome, because this high minded "vote for Trump to save democracy" is what got us in this mess in the first place. It happened in exactly like this 2016, and the Dem's didn't learn.
Sure, we can blame the electorate, I'm all for it. But saying that it's SOLELY the electorate's fault when the DNC has been trotting out milquetoast candidates one after the other is so disingenuous. Americans keep saying they don't want two right wing candidates, but no one is listening.
I'm talking about dem non-voters.
How many DNC members protested when Biden decided to run for the second time? Surely not millions or so.
If they didn't then they should've voted for Harris when Biden stepped down cause that was the need of the hour. Instead they stayed home and risked a second Trump presidency.
And if these really were politically aware voters who wanted a progressive candidate, did they not understand the gravity of the situation? Of possibility of second Trump administration and all the bullshit that entails?
Nah. I don't buy it.
I dont think that everyone gives the same weight to those peoples opinions. Some see Obama as a war criminal, mark Cuban is in the billionaire class and is against business regulation, taylor swift is also a billionaire, and Beyonce is a billionaire as well?
Bernie gave the same vote against tyranny stuff the democrats were saying. I dont recall him being excited about Kamala's policy, was he?
If the republicans are running on change, and the democrats are running on not changing, but most americans want things to change, it shouldnt be shocking which one wins.
The democrats could have offered up a better idea to change the country but they didnt. They tried to scold and patronize people into voting for them instead.
Most Americans are in for a rude awakening if they think the change republicans are proposing are the same change they want. Or maybe they do want wrecked economy, dismantled healthcare, and internment camps for '''illegals'''. Who the fuck knows.
Yes, it they still don’t want the status quo, so they would not have been happy either way. The point is that the party proposing a change can scoop up votes of those wishing for change, which is most people.
Biden didn’t win on no change. He won on change from trumps presidency. Change wins. Proposals win. Stability is good, but if people don’t feel stability, like with runaway inflation, or a recent global pandemic, or a recent trump presidency, then saying things are stable and good is not a winner. They are not.
Shouldn't we blame voters for not looking at what change is being proposed?
Oh wait, many of them were being told she's worse than Trump, going to start the next world war, jail white men, or other such nonsense on social media or podcasts.
All of that's true, but not how the general voting population works. We have to live in the world that exists, not the one where everyone is paying as much attention as they should.
Alternatively, this should be massive fucking sign that the general voting populace is so desperate for any change that they'd go for horrible changes rather than perpetuating the status quo.
There is enough blame to go around. However, voters as a bloc is a more nebulous concept than a voter or party.
People voting is an essential part of democracy. If people don't understand it, if they failed to understand what was at stake, or if they undertood it but still didn't vote against him then they're fucking morons.
We can talk about mistakes of DNC, Biden, Harris, Pelosi etc for all eternity but that doesn't change the fact that the American voters are morons.
If the American voter is a moron, as you proposed, then is the smarter party the one that treats them like a moron, yet gets elected. Or the party that says they are not, treats them like an educated adult but loses elections to someone like Trump. Multiple times. While calling those that vote for him garbage. Well, garbage fought back and kicked them out. Now Trump will kick them while they are down but blame immigrants and the deep state.
By that logic the scammers preying on the gullible are smarter than the people running homeless shelters and soup kitchen.
In a capitalism hellscaoe, you're not far off. However a soup kitchens purpose is to feed people. A scammers purpose is to scam.
A political partys purpose is to get their members elected and pass legislation together. An individual politician can have similar but different purposes, but the parties purpose is clear. In this case, unlike the soup kitchen, the Dems are failing in their purpose.
well, hey, they're all american voters, right, and apparently we're all too moronic to understand the basic things at stake, so maybe that is what we deserve, right?
I mean she chose to spend the last weeks essentially campaigning with the cheneys that's different than just an endorsement when they star in dozens of rallies.
For real, all these people blaming democrats for not winning when billionaires were literally buying votes to not be taxed by democrats. Seems like a campaign.
Well, if anything it proves that Unions work. Unions of billionaire media moguls especially. Many (soft, wealthy) hands coming together, to push in collectively towards a common goal of eliminating the National Labor Relations Board, the EPA, the SEC, and the IRS... it's kind of beautiful, in its way. (/s)
ah yes, taylor swift, noted political figure. surely, that will drive turnout. obama and bernie sanders, yes, great choices, truly, this will save us even when we're not campaigning on their policies. mark cuban. yes. multiple military generals, very cool.
extrapolate what you actually mean with this train of thought. what do you think the democrats should've actually done differently? they're the ones who've lost, what should they have done more? who should they have appealed to? seems like everyone wants to put the emphasis solely on the trump voters and the non-voters, and since the non-voters are non-voters, oh, wowie, look at that, all we have left are trump voters to go after.
shocker. I wonder what the party will head after, with this train of thought? I wonder which direction they'll go in? surely, they wouldn't double down, right? surely, they wouldn't go further after the trump voters, after all the committed registered republican voters that turned out last time switched and... lost them a percentage point in that category, this go around. from 6% to 5%. we should emphasize the trump voters more, we should go after them more, obviously, because they're the only ones willing to vote!
extract what you're talking about, extrapolate. if you just run around up in your feels as a non-american, blaming the wind for blowing, then you're just gonna end up blasting darpanet even harder.
Centrists. There was a reason that when Democrats took the House and Senate in 2006, they didn't stop being a rubber stamp for Cheney's war.
I disagree. At the risk of oversimplifying, American voters tend to respect strength of conviction, even if they don't always agree with the policy, over milquetoast candidates. That's why Sanders attracted so many voters who went on to vote for the other party's candidate in the general election. Democrats need to decide what they believe in, and say it long, loud, and proud.
They did seem quite unsure of what their values should be. I think thats a negative for some people that a persons values seem to change to match the audience. The pre-planned replies didnt help either. Kept hearing the same points almost to a word.
Why's it so hard to speak like a human being for the democrats? Make fun of trump all we want, his McDonalds video was not a bad look, it was personable.
I just typed another reply to the effect that Democrats can't express strong values because of the inherent contradiction of being a corporatist party trying to appeal to workers for votes. I would add that it's not only a bad look, but a bad political tactic: If you don't state your values, your opponents are more than happy to fill in the blanks with whatever batshit nonsense serves their purpose.
And when they lose they take the high road of blaming themselves. It's en exercise in self flagellation.
Well, there isn't going to be a Palestine in not too much longer after Bibi ethnically cleanses it and annexes it to Greater Israel.
That was one example. It easily could've been access to abortion, recreational marijuana, affirmative action or any other issue.