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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 225 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (27 children)

Plain and simple... She was a woman, and a black person - There will be months of tap dancing and "deep" analysis, but we're just an ugly, atrophied, broken, racist and patriarchal nation, like deep down in our DNA. We were able to elect Obama, yes - he is half white, and a man (those weren't the loud messages as they attacked him, but Pennsylvania gramma knew those things quietly when she pulled the lever for him). It's not satisfying, but it's just the plain truth here. We're closer to getting over race than we are over sex.

Plenty of deliberate work has been done, mostly by republicans, to keep America stupid, poor and in untreated pain, yes... But we're also just trash on the whole. We raise trash and we vote for trash. We just aren't smarter than social algorithms, TV soap opera narratives, costumes and makeup. "The pretend business man is white, old, wears a tie and has a gold watch. He feels like how daddy felt when I was little, and when things are bad, daddy fixed them the way I remember it."

Video game trolls, people who failed the cop application physical and triple DUI wine moms are America. No further explanation or analysis needed.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Obama was a unique situation in that he was both an incredibly charismatic JFK-style figure and ran after the Republicans had managed to both start a very unpopular war and destroy the world economy.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Barack Obama also never released a campaign ad that said "Hey white dudes, we only think some of you suck."

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You mind linking me to that ad?

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Idk, as a white guy, that's more cringe than offensive. Maybe that's because I live in the South and can pass for a redneck, but I hear some vile shit from those other white guys fairly often.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 minutes ago

Offensive isn't quite the word for it.

The part that bothers me is that the DNC couldn't put together genuine sounding messaging to men when American democracy itself hung in the balance. Dooming my nation because they absolutely couldn't bring themselves to drop the identity politics is a transgression I don't think I can ever forgive.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 5 points 6 hours ago

"hey white dudes! .....no not you...the other white dudes."

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[–] LappingDog@sh.itjust.works 43 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

I voted for Harris walz, but I think a lot of this is the fault of Biden for trying to run for reelection and sticking it out until July. I live in the south and I think the lack of a primary reallly hurt the ticket because a sizable portion of the people I’ve talked to felt like she was appointed instead of being elected, which is a bad move when public trust in our institutions is already at an all time low.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 52 points 14 hours ago

This is all excuses. The fact that Trump made it all the way as the primary candidate for the GOP means that Republicans were okay with what he said and what he did.

For a normal person, it shouldn't even take a second to choose Harris. But this isn't the case. Trump won the popular vote and the presidency despite all the crazy shit because a sizeable part of the citizens voted him in regardless of the reason.

And not only that, but Republicans won the senate and well on their way to win the house.

It is about to get real bad, and Americans have themselves to blame for that.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 21 points 14 hours ago

Institutional democrats who thought they knew what they were doing and could ignore the base of the party is to blame. Biden being top of the list. Stubborn self assured who when finally pushed to change was only willing to do it on his terms. And made a decision for everyone, again.

One of the big stories is a Democratic party Mayor of a super Blue city being corrupt and organizing police to defend him and yet not a single member of the party has spoken out against it. Endorsed by Hakeem Jeffries.

Status quo is far more important than listening to their base right now and hopefully it changes instead of them once again thinking they need to head further right.

And for the love all things holy I hope the Democrats learn to stop "gaming" the election with specific counties in "blue walls" because they did advanced math that told them it was all they needed. Bare minimum should never have been the goal.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The people you talked to are bigoted cowards that wouldn't have been swayed by any of that shit - She has a vagina and she's black - That's all it was ever going to be.

You're hearing the thing they hope their neighbor would think of them after the fact, " I was this close, Bill... I just wanted more policy detail... More time... If only they didn't make me vote for trump".

Your neighbor fucking sucks, Bill - this is the time you pause, take a breath, and fully internalize that to inform your future interactions.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 19 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Shit dude, I'm far left, believed that the only way to protect democracy was to vote for Harris, and then did it, but even I felt like she was appointed. Nobody wanted her as a first choice but we were forced to accept her when she succeeded Biden. She got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020. That isn't only because she's a black woman. It certainly plays a part, but we can't act like it wasn't just general voter malaise that led to this outcome.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's not "just" the fact that she has a vagina, its that that was always going to be the deciding factor. There's nuance in understanding the distinction there.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

So your argument is that she got 14 million less votes than Joe specifically because she's a woman? Because I struggle to see how it could be the "deciding factor" otherwise.

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I agree, it's an oversimplification. The Democratic party has become the party of 'going back to business as usual' and refuses to lower it's commitment to the corporations that fund it. Trump won 2016 because he was a genuine establishment shaker.

Leftists need a rouge candidate who refuses to bow. Someone who shows promise of CHANGE and not business as usual.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

Leftists need a rouge candidate who refuses to bow. Someone who shows promise of CHANGE and not business as usual.

Democrats have proven that they will sue to strip such a person from the ballot. How can they claim to defend democracy while hiding behind First-past-the-post voting?

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Yes. That is their argument. Because most men of alll races, and even most white women favored him. He got less votes than 2020, and won the popular, got a trifecta.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

None of it should factor. At all.

The distinction between the candidates was clear enough:

  1. I will lower your taxes (for billionaires), I don't like immigrants, and I will say all the stuff you think and the lefties made it bad to say. Also if I don't win I'm going to jail because, for enough money I will do whatever you want (for Russia, Elon, or anyone else).

  2. I am an actual qualified candidate.

There was no choice. It was taxes and fear and tribalism with a special sprinkle of election interference attempts around the horn.

She was appointed? So what? Elect her because she's a better choice, then fix that problem.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago

She was appointed? So what? Elect her because she’s a better choice, then fix that problem.

I think the issue (well one of many) with this line of thinking is that as she was appointed, even if elected she would not have been fairly elected. An issue with the Dems for many years now. People vote against things more then for them and the USA voted for trump over Harris. That nothing seems to have been learned other then "she should have won" or "maybe if we go farther right it will work this time" is a real mindfuck.

The Dems could "fix" that problem (since it is a party problem) but they don't, ever. This is as much a failing of the Democratic party as the failure of American democracy collapsing into a two party system.

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 54 points 17 hours ago

I remember hearing many democrats that joked how they voted for the white side of Obama. It wasn't funny and isn't funny now. They are not only voting against a woman but one of color.

We are going let christian fascism take control of America because a large portion of our population is sexiest, and racist. Not to mention all those protest votes or fucker who sat on their couch rather than do the right thing.

Now we are all fucked.

[–] MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org 54 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

This reads like straight out of disco elysium. Great choice of words

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 32 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Plain and simple... She was a woman, and a black person

She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

Was she really though? She couldnt identify a single thing she'd do differently than Biden, who has a truly remarkable and historic level of low approval.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 hours ago

She had excitement and energy, then said she'd do nothing different than Biden. Lost a lot of energy. Got Time Waltz, more energy, and then the party told him "stop calling Vance weird" and we lost more energy.

She had a better shot at talking trump, she just loved to shoot herself in the foot.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago

According to the polls she was. Not sure how'd else you'd measure it, really.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 33 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Until she woke up one day and thought she was Republican.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

So many republican endorsements. And each one was so very publicly celebrated. Ugh.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago

The true lesson is the one the Democrats will never, ever learn.

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[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

While this is a large part of it, a significant thing I think is that you get a lot more enthusiasm voting for something than against something. If she was campaigning for things I didn't hear it above the constant "orange shit is an orange shit".

A number of terrorist bomb threats to predominantly democratic polling locations in swing states and other fuckery may have also played a role.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Maybe care about things. Voting against him should've been enough to elect a ham sandwhich

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