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Boy, 15, who fatally stabbed teenager he did not know in Birmingham is jailed for life
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Nov 2024
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This is genuinely disappointing. I understand the need for punishment, but unless there is therapy, a path to recovery and reintegration into society, we're just housing more and more people without a future.
I'm sorry, but at 15 you're old enough to know that stabbing a stranger to death is wrong.
Sure but what's even the point of a youth Justice system if you're gonna say that and try every kid as an adult?
Youth justice is for the many nuanced & lower stakes scenarios. Stealing a car, breaking windows, shoplifting/petty theft, getting into fights, drug abuse/addiction, arson, criminal mischief, etc.
Not stabbing strangers to death.
You can't equate the two.
Yes? What do you think they're implying, that we should try to rehabilitate criminals... but only if they're still young?
I think (and forgive me if I'm wrong) they're essentially saying that without a rehabilitory justice system, we're just locking people up for life and creating a net drain on society. Financially, culturally... it's a morale drain on our nation, even.
Not to mention that as a society we're abandoning a person who, through a justice system built on rehabilitation and not some ye oldie Catholic concept of creating a punishing Hell on Earth, could actually flourish one day, adding to our society instead of taking from it.
A prison system designed to simply incarcerate, punish and torture those it touches will never offer anywhere near the same benefits to us as one that is designed to attempt to rehabilitate.
Not everybody can be rehabilitated, of course, but that's like saying we shouldn't try to treat cancer, because not everybody can be cured.
What is there to be sorry for?
Pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online stabbed him.
This implies some sort of racism or hate crime, not a random attack. There may be something more that needs to be done
So a basic concept of right and wrong is enough to try someone as an adult?
Yes. This isn't a kid who made a stupid mistake. They murdered someone in cold blood.
And since a 8 year old knows a stove might be hot he should be allowed to drive, drink and smoke ,right? 🥸
That’s just ridiculous. He should be allowed to vote too.
Yep. The kind of humanoid that would choose to do this has some sort of fundamental fault. Unit is defective, recall to warehouse, keep in observation to further refine diagnostic models. Or just return to manufacturer.
Yeah this kind of rhetoric doesn't sound at all like a deranged psychopath who believes in exterminating the "other"...
I actually read the article, and if you get all the way to the first sentence, you'll learn that he will be eligible for release starting at 28.
What about the other teenager? The one who died?
He never gets to go home, he'll never be part of society again.
While that's obviously very sad and tragic the purpose of criminal justice should never be vengeance or an eye for an eye. It should be about rehabilitation and reintegration. Yes it's awful that a life was lost but functionally removing another life from society for forever is hardly a good solution.
Takes care of recidivism, though. But I wouldn't advocate it for that reason.
Someone who will commit murder at the age of 15 is very badly damaged, and will need a great deal of help to not be a danger to others in the future. That's the compassionate route.
Almost zero governments will want to spend the money. Sadly, it's cheaper to keep them locked up.
It also “takes care of” rehabilitation and redemption.
I'd agree, but only for crimes that aren't fatal/serious enough. Deliberatly killing someone isn't a thing society should forgive.
Well if we’re going to do tit for tat then let’s put this kid to death.
Oh no, someone died... I guess the only solution is to provide free housing and food to the criminal, while not providing anything else he needs ensuring he'll stay a piece of shit that does nothing but steal from society and will likely end up killing more. /s
Even a death sentence would be better at this point! Playing the emotion card falls flat if your solution is even worse.
I think punishment comes first when it comes to murder though
Is there any data showing that this is more effective for reducing future violent crime?
Taking a murderer off the streets?
I mean for other people. Of course we can reduce crime if everyone is imprisoned.
Murderers =/= everyone. What a dumbass argument you’re making.
How could you even infer that this was the point they were making? So far off the mark.
They literally said putting a murderer away for life is like locking everyone up.
How does your question take into account the victim's family at all? You may not like it but one of the pillars of justice is seeking a fair and just punishment for the victim and their loved ones. You may not care about the murder victim's family so somebody has to.
You can't act like a crime is all about the perpetrator and their needs.
How does the punishment help the family of the victim?
They are describing revenge but don't want to say that word.
No, it's for safety.
These kids targeted poor Ali as they thought he'd 'jumped one of their mates' the week before, if they were allowed out and about, they'd likely kill more of the family in their own revenge scheme.
Well what he did was permanent. So unless you can figure out a way to undo it, I think the punishment should fit the crime. Putting him back out on the streets doesn't help the family either so it's kind of a moot point.
Are you serious? He killed a kid, for no reason, in cold blood. He should never walk free ever again.