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Israeli settler leader Daniella Weiss says Palestinians will 'disappear' from Gaza
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Jesus Christ
Was a Palestinian Jew and would probably be persecuted, tortured and killed by the modern state of Israel.
The Jews in Jerusalem sent him to be crucified, so maybe not all that much has changed.
I'm very much opposed to the zionist colonial project in it's entirety.
However, what you are espousing here is blatant anti-semitism.
I mean, I'm neither a biblical scholar nor someone who holds a group of people accountable today for actions melenia ago, but isn't he correct? Could you explain what's wrong with the statement?
The Implication in that sentence is that the jewish people were firstly responsible for the death of christ, and also that this refers to some underlying nefarious murderous aspect to jewish people that the commenter is suggesting persists to the modern day. How else would you read this comment in the context of this conversation? What else could be intended by "so maybe not all that much has changed."
I am speaking only about extremists like Zionists. I imply nothing.
Interesting then that you chose to link modern zionism with jews in ancient Jerusalem. Also interesting is your omission of the term zionist. No, your comment states a continuity from ancient jews to modern ones in the context of the ancient ones having murdered christ. That's anti-semitism. Whether you will openly agree or not isn't particularly relevant.
I omitted the term "Zionist" because I doubt that is an accurate term for the Jewish extremists in the first century.
Why did you say "jews" and not "jewish extremists" like.... what are you even talking about.. Who are the jewish extremists youre even talking about in the first century lmao and what do present day zionists have to do with jewish extremists from the first century besides them both being jewish??
You clearly haven't even thought for 2 seconds about what it is that you said. Maybe you ought to when making claims about jewish people. I despise zionism, just as I despise the IDF and the state of Israel. I would never make an allusion to some connection between modern zionists and ancient jewish people. You said jews and you meant it. Get out of the anti-zionist movement for god sake.
Also "the Jews killed Jesus" is a classic antisemitic trope.
what a load of crap.
I guess calling ancient Jewish people murderers and then saying, "maybe nothing has changed" is totally cool to you or something?
Well take a minute to read about the jewish roman wars on wikipedia and get back to me. The history of the zealots faction is one of terrorism and genocide and thats just a fact.
We cant just pretend history doesnt exist.
Nor can we pretend the killing of innocents in the middle east right now is ethical or justified.
Nor can we pretend that pushing back on the extremist wing of far right Judaism equates to antisemitism against all jews.
If you want to play at verbal gymnastics and call that anti semitism go ahead, I couldnt care less-- it just makes me take you all the less seriously when you try to pervert language like that. That word has been flung around as a shield for all kinds of criminal immoral nonsense and its lost the meaning it used to have. Its just a lazy crybully propoganda defense these days.
You can peruse my comment history and see how often I argue against zionists and then get back to me on how well I'm doing spreading their propaganda 🙄
The zionist ideology has no relation to ancient Judaism. Aside from its constant allusions to recreating the ancient state of Israel. There is literally no connection. Trying to draw one is to imply that there has been some murderous genocidal element of Jewish people that has existed throughout history and persisted to the present date. Nothing you or anyone else defending the commenter has said makes literally any sense unless you can somehow draw a continuity between ancient Judaism and zionists. You can't. Zionism came to fruition in the 19th century. It was a concerted colonialist project. It has literally not one single thing to do with the supposed actions of ancient Jewish people.
The commenter also was alluding to Jewish people having been responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. Not that they were radical far right. Specifically that they were responsive for the death of Jesus Christ. That notion whatsoever is a literal mainstay of antisemitism. To then try and allude to something about the "jews who killed christ" that persists and is represented to this day in zionism is textbook definitional antisemitism. It's saying that jews are murderous in some underlying inherent way. I don't know what to tell you it's the truth.
Now, before you accuse me of supporting Israel again, a state I literally believe should be dismantled in its entirety and who I know to be controlled by a genocidal party in a genocidal government with a genocidal military leading over a population indoctrinated to support genocide, kindly go do something else. I'm not a psyop or whatever you're going to accuse me of being. I'm not an idiot either, I know what is and isn't antisemitic. Criticism of the state of Israel, of the IDF, of the colonizing ideology of Zionism, none of those things are antisemitic. Trying to say that there is something inherent to Jewish people that makes them nefarious or murderous or evil? That is antisemitic. The commenter made an antisemitic comment. It was removed in like 2 minutes. It was textbook antisemitism. It was not a critique of zionism.
I dont agree. Contrast the zionists with the zealots faction toward the end of the second temple period. The zealots and the zionists are essentially the same group. The zealots genocided the whole region in their time: Roman, Greek, Arabs alike. More than a million murdered to build a "new Israel". The Romans marched in and counter-genocided their asses.
Jewish-Roman wars [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Roman_wars] Kitos War [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War]
Ever hear zionists bellyache about how unfair it is that they have been kicked out of countries? After the zionist rebels genocided 240,000 greeks in Cyrpus-- Rome took Cyprus back and jews were unwelcome on the island, even if they came by shipwreck, on pain of death. I think thats an understandable outcome considering how few people bring up WHY that outcome occurred.
This is exactly what people mean when they say its perilous to forget our history. This is a repeat of the jewish-roman wars, again with the genocide and land theft.
It's also a Bible story, so probably not even true in the first place.
Sadly, this tracks