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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm so fucking tired of hearing about a living wage.

I want a thriving wage! If that means that janitors and whoever the fuck conservatives want to shit on make $40-50 dollars and hour, so be it.

Wages have been so stagnant that I want a labor market and not a job market.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The whole concept of having to earn your right to keep on living is pretty wild

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is a pretty privileged statement. We're not at a point in society where robots and machines can produce everything we need, which means people need to do it. Why would other people need to labor for your existence while you do nothing? Every creature on the planet labors in its own way to continue living, and humans are no exception.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did you consider they mean you have to pay others to keep living on top of the living part which includes feeding/caring for yourself. You are born into a system where you have to do many things outside of it. Just the concept that all of the land was divided up by groups and claimed so the people born in those areas have to pay them, work for them, and be forced to go through their education systems is crazy. You can't exactly choose to leave either, the land is all claimed by other systems that will have strict immigration policies and their own rules for life forced on you.

Freedom is long gone.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

and be forced to go through their education systems is crazy

Education is a huge gift, and your education benefits not only you, but the society you live in. Why would you complain about receiving a free education, which allows you to live a richer, and fuller life?

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Depends on the education. I don't think those born in russia or North Korea are getting that "richer and fuller life"

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My point was more that people have a fundamental right to live, but sure

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What does that even mean? Of course you have a fundamental right to keep your life. That doesn't mean you have the right to receive food and shelter without effort, when those things require effort to produce. Yet we do sometimes provide those things to people who don't labor. They're not very nice, and they don't provide a life of abundance, but they are available to many people who wouldn't have had those options at earlier points in history. It is a great advancement in our society that we can provide for the basic needs of people who aren't capable of providing for themselves, either in whole, or in part. But if you're capable of working, and providing for yourself, then you should meet that challenge with urgency, especially since the taxes from your labors contribute to the assistance for the incapable that I mentioned above. We may eventually reach a point where nobody needs to labor, but not in our lifetime.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

We could already have been at that point if 99% of the actual value of our labor wasn't stolen by the rich. But sure, I guess we can't reach it with this attitude