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I think anyone who's even remotely curious about hexbear should go make an account and just... Iunno, check it out? That's what i did and it ended up being my home away from home.
Their viewpoints are gonna be absolute whiplash for most people unaccustomed to speaking about world topics from a non-us-centric perspective, or who have only learned about what communism actually is from our (definitely not biased) general education.
Calling those viewpoints "crazy" is just a shortcut, a base dismissal of thought unworthy of critical thinkers.
If you take me up on this, go lurk a bit! They can't hurt you. If after awhile of lurking, you have a question (you will have questions) ask them from a position of curiosity that you're interested in their perspective instead of one there to "educate the commies" and you'll be just fine. Hell you don't ever have to engage in politics at all there, hexbear has as many shitposts as the other instances do
I recall i went to hexbear because sh.itjust.works was defedding and erryone was just so mad at them i had to see what the fuss was about. Im very glad i did
You can have a non-US centric point of view without defending Russia or Chinese genocides...
Difficult. The perception of Russia and China outside the western world is very different and very variable than what westerners think.
If you're saying I'm calling their viewpoints crazy, I'm not. I didn't get a view point besides I'm pig slop, a piece of shit, brainwashed by the empire (whatever the hell that means), stupid, a basement dweller, and today, I think they called me a pervert
This is my exact same experience. I ask for someone to elaborate on their stance, get told (not accused, told) I'm trolling. Ask for explanation/definition of a concept, get called an idiot shitlib and told to read some theory. Ask for civility, get told I deserve abuse for "endorsing genocide". (By the way, I absolutely oppose the genocide in Gaza. But I'm a genocide supporter I guess because I won't flush my vote third party this November.)
Hexbear is a community that expects you to conform. Every time there is a post like this, someone comes out of the woodwork and says "They're nice people if you talk like them and agree with them on everything." It's cool that you're not getting abused, but abuse is coming from that space, whether or not it is happening to you.
It's a shame because I would like to hear the nuances of their viewpoints, but I can never get them to tell me what they are. Always complaining that nobody tries to understand, but dogpiling on anyone that asks questions. Then they pull up your report history and tell you "It's just a little dunking bro, stop being a snowflake" for not putting up with it.
Users of Hexbear, if you're reading these words, do better. Nobody is going to sympathize with your cause if you antagonize outsiders that want to learn more.
Well put. To be fair, there's people that disagree with them that would ridicule them too. Everyone just expects people to be shitty. My opinion is we need to change the atmosphere altogether, but I can only control my own actions.
With that being said, I am guilty of a "gotcha" move to test the waters. I didn't necessarily see it as disrespectful in the moment because the whole post was "Libs bad! Get the torches".
I want to keep saying though that OP of the post was absolutely respectful, but our discussion just degraded because he kept refusing the sources I presented and it just went to shit after that. I even explained my comment to OP and apologized to them if I offended them with my comment.
But everyone else just proved that they're garbage people that just want to treat everyone like shit and not try to educate or learn.
And now I guess people who often posts like that on HB are losing their mind because I'm criticizing them in a way lesser way they were criticizing me. I don't get it lol
VERY well-stated, imho. I nominated your comment to !BestOfLemmy@lemmy.world.
I'm a grad user not a hexbear user but views are pretty much the same, I'll say here: it matters a ton in the thread and way in which you tried to do this. if you give the slightest hint that you're asking questions in bad faith, they're going to pounce on you, because communists online constantly have to deal with bad faith trolls. There are an extremely small number of communists in the west, we are outnumbered basically everywhere online and in real life, so we are naturally protective of the very few places where we hold the majority opinion.
I'm not gonna go looking for your interactions with hexbear to actually see but I'll answer any questions you have right now. also, you haven't been banned or had any action taken against you by hexbear mods at all. you could always pose respectful questions in one of their general mega threads, or in ask chapo
I'll read through those threads sometime. I don't think I'll be commenting in that instance though. Maybe I'll look around for a community that clicks better to interact with. I don't really have questions off the top of my head, sorry. I don't know what I don't know.
nah sorry the general megathreads are mostly just people randomly commenting about their day and what not, I just meant you can just go in there and ask for someone willing to talk about some topic. Like, just say "I am a visiting liberal and would like to discuss XYZ that I don't understand" and if someone responds you can go into detail about what you want to discuss. lemmygrad has a communism 101 comm that has heightened civility rules but your instance is defederated from grad.
Voting for the people doing genocide does make you complicit. Feeling that the genocide is bad is limited to your mind, it is of no use to the dead and dying children. You do actually have to do something about it if you think genocide is something to be opposed.
If this is your idea of hexbears being crazy or wrong, you picked possibly the worst example you could. Though I am sure it resonates with many others who want to feel good about their complicity.
Ok.
This is such a bad faith comment. Im not a hexbear user but my instance is federated with them and ive interacted with lots of their posts. Go into any post on hexbear and youll see tons of examples of them disagreeing WITH EACHOTHER. they commonly have huge arguments in the comments and as long as everyone is civil and not arguing in bad faith noone gets banned and noone gets urt feelings. Stop lying and using hexbear as the lemmy boogeyman because its a bad look.
"People I don't agree with are lying in bad faith."
I have no interest in talking to you.
Your mistake was posting in the dunk tank. That is literally a "vent" sub where they vent their frustrations against stupid US empire propaganda takes.
If you go there expecting reasonable treatment for your opinions, you misunderstood the assignment. That is a shitpost sub where only one side is right.
How do I know this? Because I went there once and got dunked on too! But that does not represent the entirety of hexbear. I think.
Then I think I made the same mistake that you did. However I took a shot and dunked on them, and they went insane. Like water in a fryer
Yeah well lol, it's sort of like a "roast me" sub for liberals.
Tbf, they'd probably get the same responses from people who disagree with them. We as internet forum users need to change the environment so everyone can be included. However that would mean we as a whole have to agree what all-inclusive is
Let's start a movement, friend.
I'm down. I vote everyone starts to talk to people friendly and respectfully until you encounter people that are disrespectful for no reason
Oh that's not what I meant. I mean talk to them friendly and respectfully anyway.
I mean... IMO. I'll be a smartass to people that are a smartass to, but I'd never wish bad vibes or times their way. Bad times suck and I'd never wish that however they talk to me. Hate takes too much mental energy that no one should extend
A single step is better than sitting in our own ish then complaining about the smell. We'll get there, with consistency and self-honesty.
But does someone living in the sewer complain about the smell?
again youre misrepresenting. you got several well articulated lengthy explanations and dismissed them or didn't reply.
Those aren't good responses. The narrative of "poor Putin just had to invade Ukraine, don't you see?" is bollocks.
Their weird insistence that anyone that doesn't agree with them is a "lib" that needs "dunking on" is tiring. If you don't show full-throated support for authoritarian regimes that they happen to like, then you clearly support Israel and genocide. They need to mature a bit, and realize that the world isn't black and white, and it doesn't neatly fall into convenient categories that can be nicely labelled.
Except these replies are made to illustrate the viewpoints held by the commenters and not meant to be dunks. Rather obviously imo. Yet OP is claiming he only got called mean words and no one explained to them why they think what they think.
There absolutely were good faith explanations but OP didn't engage with any of them in kind but chose to keep replying to the dunks instead.
So this post is because you're angry ya got dunked on? You can't just post liberal political opinions (that would do well in liberal spaces) and expect them to fly in a commie space...
Wait, i recognize you! Ive argued with you myself! You definitely don't approach hexbear with a perspective of learning something, and iirc you're not the most respectful of other opinions haha! You been banned a couple times and still ain't learned shit about shit. Should i pm you with those threads with explanations of what and where you went wrong? Id be ecstatic to teach you something today
I've said it multiple times. If I get talked to respectfully, I talk respectfully. If someone is a smartass, I'm a smartass. OP of the post yesterday was respectful so I had a conversation with him while everyone was telling me how big of pile of shit I am. I know why I got banned. You don't have to send me anything. And I guess I'm up to 3 communities now because I said the same exact thing this morning. Someone calls me pig shit and I'm supposed to just be like "Hey. I'm here to learn". No. Sorry. Not how I operate
But I will say our arguments must have went well because you aren't on my ban list lol. So I'll keep up with the theme of talking to you respectfully
Edit: And I'm not angry at all. It started out as a legitimate question of if I'm the problem on HB, and then are started reading experiences from other people, but I blocked the instance so neither of us have to worry about it. If you choose not to respond, I hope you have a good weekend
I don't block people permanently, only for a couple days and then only if they won't stop barkin. We didn't have any discussions per se but i have to admit to you it was i who reported one of your comments as "debate pervert". I stand behind that decision too, in that particular case.
I hope you have a good weekend too. I hope you come back around one day, as a lurker, with curiosity. Even if it seems unlikely in the face of the other things I've said, i really mean that.