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Is it β€œCamel-uh” or β€œCam-ahl-uh”?

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[–] memfree@lemmy.ml 131 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Thank you for this. I’ve heard her name mispronounced so often that I genuinely thought kah-MALL-uh was correct. Whoops! Comma-la it is!

[–] memfree@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago

Happy to help!

Oh, I shoulda linked to a first-hand source where she herself wrote "comma-la" as the pronunciation (no particular accent on syllables). It is in her book, and also towards the bottom of this piece has that excerpts from her book: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/book-excerpt-kamala-harris-truths-hold/story?id=60234101

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

kah-MALL-uh

The right mispronounces it that way intentionally.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago

As I’ve heard. Now we know better than to perpetuate it!

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Commala? As in the pokemon Komala?

So it really is Komala Harris vs Trumpshoos

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn't the Pokemon's name pronounced like coma + koala? Coma and comma are different.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

🀷I've been pronouncing it as Ko-Ma-La without the emphasise of ow. I appreciate this post though, i've seen so many asian name being butchered by english speaking country it become annoying.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Ko-Ma-La without the emphasise of ow.

I'm not sure I follow. Coma would probably be "ko-ma", like I'd suggested, whereas comma is something like "cah-ma"...but I'm not sure where the "ow" comes in

[–] MHLoppy@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago

"Comma-la" unfortunately doesn't help much for people without US accents lol (though of course people in the US are who the question and answer are most relevant to). On first reading -- without the accent or something close to it -- it implies "kom-uh-luh", whereas with the accent it implies something more like "kah-muh-luh", just based on how people pronounce "comma" differently.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's funny because the way you spelt it sounds like the first "don't" of the video you linked. Americans in general seem to make a point of pronouncing things their way rather than how they should be. I don't think it's racism as much as it is laziness.

[–] memfree@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

their way rather than how they should be.

Every language has different sounds. It has long been understood that languages will translate words/names into versions they can actually hear and pronounce. Sadly, some people mock or demean people who try to speak a non-native language and make errors in it. In the U.S. it used to be fairly common to mock Asians coming from a language with only one liquid consonant sound for their inability to differentiate between 'r' and 'l' sounds.

I know I can't hear the difference in various Russian language vowels and while I can hear tones, I don't know how I'd explain their pronunciation in an Anglicized name -- or if it would be relevant.

While I appreciate that regional accents mean that non-U.S. citizens might not say "comma" the way it is heard in the U.S., I do expect that if a U.S. citizen tells me to pronounce their own name in a U.S. manner, then that is how it "should be" pronounced.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

sorry are you saying people should pronounce their own names in ways they don't prefer to be "correct"? Also etc etc language guides are descriptive not prescriptive.