Anyone reading along in this thread should probably check the veracity of these claimed ratios. Wikipedia has an okay overview.
It's also worth noting that the Russian wars in Chechnya were particularly notable for their brutal war crimes.
Anyone reading along in this thread should probably check the veracity of these claimed ratios. Wikipedia has an okay overview.
It's also worth noting that the Russian wars in Chechnya were particularly notable for their brutal war crimes.
@Linkerbaan aah that makes sense, thanks for the explanation. I couldn't work out what on earth they were getting at.
@TheFonz I'm sorry but you haven't expressed your position clearly enough for me to summarize and I'm not interested in trying to forensically reconstruct it from your comments as it's too ameliorised.
Like I said above, this conversation isn't some kind of game for points. It's just us talking about our views.
or do you only like to hear yourself
False dichotomy, and a bit of a swing and a miss.
Dresden was a horrendous war crime too.
I can see how it's harder for you to argue against war crimes from other nations if you're an apologist for war crimes committed by your own ancestors.
But many of us don't need to jump through those particular rhetorical hoops. The barrage of war crimes in WW2 was part of the impetus for strengthening international law against that shit.
@TheFonz I'm finding this conversation a bit puzzling.
You sort of sound like you want this discussion to cover all those tired Hasbara "talking points" and their common rebuttals on Americam discuasions or something, hence IsRaEl HaS A Right to DeFenD ItSelf.
This isn't a game or a logic 101 essay though. It's ordinary people from multiple countries discussing a humanitarian catastrophe that has killed over 37000 people.
Thanks, have updated my link.
I'd be amazed and impressed to see the Psychedelic Furs are playing.
Honestly I'd mostly be upset about people who have died. Bowie. Prince.
George Michael dying of a heart attack on Christmas day was pretty out of left field given that he wrote Last Christmas I Gave You My Heart. I probably would have to see a newspaper to believe it.
Because it's a sound principle.
Genociding tens of thousands of people, half of whom are children, is not self defense.
In my country we have a law that self defense has to be proportional and you are only allowed to use enough force to stop the attack.
It can't be like "the guy down the street threw a rock through my window so I go and kill his whole family in their beds".
I'm glad that you don't support collective punishment of Palestinians.
That's the common ground between you and me. Where we disagree is in what steps to take to stop it. I'm so old that I boycotted Apartheid and later had the very moving experience of being thanked for my country doing that by people who had lived through it.
From some of your comments in here I think you have trouble seeing the enormity of what is happening to your fellow human beings in Gaza right now. In recent years sanctions have been used to halt an attempted genocide in Ethiopia and to weaken the power of the genocidaires in Myanmar. It's actually usually only when superpowers (China, USA) stand in our way that they become less effective.
Thanks, you just made it crystal clear to me how we get from here to full on Idiocracy.