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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (59 children)

There is no military goal that justifies killing "any amount" of civilians. All of them have limits, which are based on military capabilities.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (58 children)

Okay, what is the limit of children the IDF should be able to kill before it is no longer justified? Give me a number.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (57 children)

In general, civilian-combatant casualty ratios range from 1:1 to 5:1. They tend to be higher in urban settings like Gaza. The Chechen wars were closer to 7-10:1

The US estimates 15,000 combatants have been killed in Gaza. If so, we would consider 15,000 to 75,000 civilian deaths to be normal at this point.

[–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Anyone reading along in this thread should probably check the veracity of these claimed ratios. Wikipedia has an okay overview.

It's also worth noting that the Russian wars in Chechnya were particularly notable for their brutal war crimes.

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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'll save you the effort:

  • Mexican American War, 1:1
  • WW1, 1:1
  • WW2, between 3:2 and 2:1
  • Korean War, 3:1
  • Vietnam War, between 1:3 and 2:1
  • Lebanon War, between 4:1 and 6:1
  • Chechen Wars, 10:1 (first), 4:1 (second), 7.6:1 (overall)
  • Yugoslav War: between 1:10 and 10:1
  • Iraq War: between 1:2 and 3:1
  • Mosul: between 0.7:1 and 1.5:1

If there are 15,000 combatants among the 35,000 dead in Gaza, then this war stands at 1.3:1

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