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Voters Want Change. In Our Poll, They See It in Trump. - The New York Times (www.nytimes.com)

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Yeah, why you vote even if you don't particularly like Biden...

F that electoral college btw.

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[-] kikutwo@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

The Nazis brought change.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

The Nazis had pieces of flair they made the Jews wear.

[-] thejml@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago

“F that electoral college” is an interesting thing as Hillary would have kept Trump out of office if it wasn’t a thing and we just used the popular vote.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

We also would have had Gore instead of Bush II.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I think about that the most. What could've been.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

If you can track down a copy, it's pretty good.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/gore-state-of-the-union/n12044

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Voters are delusional if that's the case.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"We want change!"

(votes for the asshat that fucked everything up previously).

Biden's campaign needs to be clear that Trump is not a change candidate.

[-] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

“We want change!”
(votes for the asshat that fucked everything up previously).

Relevant comic.

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's not that people see it in Trump, they don't see it in the corporate Dem-GOP establishment alliance.

[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

So instead vote for the rich guy who owns corporations and was already president?

In what fucking world does “corporate Dem-GOP alliance” apply to something other than the “billionaire” corporate head running the GOP?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The latest Times polling shows the extent of the challenge that President Biden faces and the strengths that Donald J. Trump retains.

A yearning for change — as well as discontent over the economy and the war in Gaza among young, Black and Hispanic voters — may lie behind both.

Surveys by The New York Times, Siena College and The Philadelphia Inquirer reveal an erosion of support for the president among young and nonwhite voters upset about the economy and Gaza.

With polls showing that Trump is set to make a demographic breakthrough, ticket splitting is also back.

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[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Haha not all change is good and especially change coming from that orange piece of shit. He would most definitely bring about worse change like he did the first 4 years he failed as president.

[-] kikutwo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The Nazis brought change.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

And sadly the average American voter, probably "independents", are looking for that exact change again.

[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -10 points 2 weeks ago

People always want to blame voters, but why does no one blame Biden for not doing enough?

If we convince Biden to be more progressive to get votes, we might beat trump and make progress.

If we convince voters, that's millions of more individuals that need convincing.

Plus, and this should go without saying, one of those options actually come with progress.

Hell, just not funding a genocide would probably cinch him the election, and that would likely mean one less genocide happening on the planet.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Biden fired the guy who used to be in charge of the NLRB and installed a bunch of actual labor people, who have been materially supporting these historic union gains the last couple of years

And also invested hundreds of billions of dollars in domestic manufacturing, such that wages are actually going up at the bottom end of the scale for the first time in quite a while, outpacing even historic inflation

And also tried to forgive half a trillion dollars worth of student loan debt, the Supreme Court told him no, and so he used his own authority to forgive around $150 billion of it

And took big action on climate change for the first time in US history ever

And also raised corporate taxes significantly to fund all that stuff

I don't think the issue is that Biden isn't progressive enough, although further more progressive than Biden would obviously be better. It is that the news media in this country doesn't give a fuck about anybody below the $120k/year level and so doesn't report any of that (or generally not as a good thing, in the rare cases that they do). But it still all happened.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Your civics teacher drinks because of you

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Biden has been the best president since Jimmy Carter.

[-] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

Without a doubt, Biden's been the best president since Obama

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's not that Biden hasn't done enough, he's done quite a bit to reverse the slide Trump put us in.

The problem is that the things he's done aren't where your average voter can see them. The big Infrastructure deal is largely invisible to your day to day voter.

I still see $6 gallons of milk at WalMart. My gas is still $5 a gallon (my fault for needing Supreme), Biden has done NOTHING to address these basic pocketbook issues and when he does hear the complaint, he discounts it, saying instead "the economy is great!"

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/politics/the-us-economy-is-doing-well-president-biden-wants-to-know-why-so-many-americans-are-still-feeling-bad/index.html

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

he discounts it, saying instead “the economy is great!”

When neoliberals and republicans talk about "the economy" the average American just doesn't matter. We don't have enough wealth to be a rounding error in this discussion, even all of us combined isn't significant at that scale.

It's about the giant corporations that squeeze money from the citizens. People can't buy shit anymore, but corporations keep posting record profit, so the economy says everything is great and to double down.

They think they're right, but they're using the metrics.

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

because not doing enough has millions of definitions wereas the voters have to live with bush over gore or reagan over carter or trump over hilary. real progress is not going to happen if the right canidate can win regularly over the left canidate. that tells them to be more right. if it was impossible to win when more right in an election then the lesson is be more left.

[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Because there has been plenty done and you are painfully, obviously unaware.

You had 4 years of mismanagement and grifting culminating in insurrection, and that was after 8 years of eroding civil rights and lying the country into shit like invading Iraq… and now you’re basically whining that Biden didn’t bring about a utopia in a single term post pandemic.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

You know what republicans do when someone criticizes trump?

Call them a dirty liberal.

Please stop acting like Republicans. We're all fucked if both parties act like that

[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In no fucking way did I do that. I mentioned reasons why your expectations are out of whack and how there’s plenty of evidence that you’re not aware of.

And you say I’m acting like a republican calling names? Get the fuck out of here with that level of stupidity.

Now I’m calling you names. You just acted like a stupid fucking conservative. Get a clue and a shade of nuance and stop making enemies with liberals. Maybe brush up on the past 4-5 decades of American political history before saying half that shit. You know what republicans do? Knee jerk themselves into irrelevance.

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