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Hi there, I'm a registered nurse in Phoenix, Arizona and I'm seriously considering moving abroad because this country is driving me insane for a lot of reasons. I was considering moving to Israel since I'm Jewish and I've heard they have a better healthcare system there and pay nurses well but this war has made me not really consider that anymore, so I'm open to suggestions. Thanks

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

Personally, as a fellow Jewish leftist I’d advise against moving to Israel. If you think politics are toxic here (maybe I’m reading into what you mean by things driving you insane), Israel is much worse. I’m not sure which countries have the easiest visa process but you probably have some flexibility as an RN. You could look into a travel nurse job that lets you move across Europe and try a few different places out.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

By driving me insane, I was in fact referring to the rightward drift of the US. And I don't just mean Trump, but the entire GOP and the fact the only opposition to them is the limp centrist Democratic Party. So yeah, Israel is probably much worse post 10/7.

Europe would be cool, Germany especially though I've heard its less safe now.

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago

Israeli politics have been fucked for a long time. Netanyahu has always been a dangerous extremist, and the fact that people repeatedly voted for him speaks volumes for the political culture.

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[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago

In Germany nurses are often not well payd IMO, but there are different kinds of nurses, so idk.. there are strikes in the news from time to time. ... but at least it's okay and well accepted to strike in Germany

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[-] Knuschberkeks@feddit.de 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm a nurse in germany. From what I hear from colleagues who studied/worked abroad, the job is very different in Germany than most other countries. (I haven't met anyone who worked in the US.) Mostly, nursing in germany involves a lot less medical tasks, which are reserved for doctors. In turn you'll do a lot more bedside care.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

If you’re concerned about a rightward drift, you’re not going to like many places in Europe. I also wouldn’t leave a country because of a temporary political shift. America’s left is more powerful now than it’s been in close to 100 years and it’s only growing with the next generation. If politics is the main reason you want to leave, I’d seriously encourage you to rethink things. That seems very shortsighted, especially given the political tide in Europe.

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[-] Retiring@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

Germany/Austria/Switzerland. You absolutely need to learn German though. It’s not unsafe here, but the right shift is happening all across Europe right now.

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[-] kava@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

There are right wing populists in virtually every democracy these days. It's not an issue unique to the US. I think it's a byproduct of our times. Economic uncertainty + geopolitical tensions and war = hard shift to the right.

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[-] Dreizehn@kbin.social 18 points 3 weeks ago

Check out the Scandinavian countries, all of them blow away the rest of Europe and they are looking for medical professionals.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Norway especially looks attractive, especially with its strong left parties.

[-] neidu2@feddit.nl 11 points 3 weeks ago

Can confirm.

Source: I'm a noggie and my sister in law is a nurse, and I get the impression they're always short staffed.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Nice, I guess I gotta learn Norwegian now.

[-] neidu2@feddit.nl 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nah. "Everyone" here speaks english.

Actually, as a nurse I guess it makes sense - The few that don't are seniors.

As a native speaker I'm probably very biased, but I'm pretty sure norwegian is among the easier languages to learn. Just be aware of the WIDE variety of dialects - Some of them differ more than Norwegian and Swedish do.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Oh well in that case, then I really am considering Norway. Full disclosure: I'm a communist so one reason I'd move there is the fact it has communist parties (or at least one Im aware of) in their parliament.

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Are you what Americans consider a communist or an actual one? Cause in Europe you will find that what Americans consider far left in politics is actually right of center still.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I'm an actual Communist.

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I don't want to dash your hopes of emigrating to a better country, but don't underestimate how painful emigration can be. You can't just pick a country and move there. Moving countries is not like moving states. You'll need to convince the country you're going that you're worth letting in. If I were you, I'd start with a list of countries that might be willing to let you in, and work your way down from there.

I would suggest Europe, the Nordics in particular; the Nordics are some of the best countries to live in in the entire world, with (in my opinion) rather pleasant politics in comparison. Germany and other north-western countries tend to score well too, but you'll have to look into how much they match your ideals and culture. Europe is generally on pretty good terms with the USA, which helps a lot. However, you're not alone in wanting to move there. Don't be surprised if the process of applying for permission to enter the country takes months to years and several thousand dollars in paperwork, time and money you don't get back if you're refused. Things can go a bit smoother if you've got a claim on citizenship by blood or family history, but that too can take time and paperwork to arrange, and is entirely dependent on the current laws in the countries your ancestors are from.

In many countries, being a highly skilled worker gives you a major advantage. However, your nursing education may not be accredited in other countries, or be considered "highly skilled" enough; with some bad luck, you may need to go back to school in your country of choice to get your education revalidated (if you're let in for that). The same goes for driver's licenses and certifications you may have achieved over the years.

One trick you may be able to use if you're of European descent is getting European citizenship by blood (I believe Italy, Spain, and a bunch of other countries allow for this) and then use the freedom the Schengen accords provide to move elsewhere in Europe, skipping a whole lot of paperwork. This way, you can, for example, work in Denmark without needing to go through the strict Danish immigration system (though validating your education may still need work).

Just as an example: if you want to apply for a license for a general nurse in Norway as a non-EEA citizen, processing time takes at least 11 months if you provide all the required paperwork and costs $152 to file (which you don't get back if you're refused). You need a license to be a general nurse; without a license, you can't do your job. Without a job, you can't just move there; you can get a temporary holiday visa but you can't apply for jobs with that. This is on top of the other requirements, like speaking B2 level Norwegian. If you apply, you may be given a deadline to conform with the requirements.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

One trick you may be able to use if you’re of European descent is getting European citizenship by blood (I believe Italy, Spain, and a bunch of other countries allow for this) and then use the freedom the Schengen accords provide to move elsewhere in Europe, skipping a whole lot of paperwork. This way, you can, for example, work in Denmark without needing to go through the strict Danish immigration system (though validating your education may still need work).

My parents are of South African descent and afaik the only country I can move into automatically is Israel which atm is not on my list of movable countries. But Ill look into it for sure

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That's unfortunate, these automatic visas bypass a lot of crap. Best of luck to you and your moving endeavours!

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[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

If you don’t want to move far and want a similar but more centrist culture, you could move to Canada — this would make it easy to move back in the future if you want. And unlike many Americans, as a RN, you could actually move without much difficulty. I know a number of RNs who have made the move and are happy about it.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago
[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Healthcare is kind of in a situation in many parts of Canada now. Look into the situation in each of the provinces you're considering. (Healthcare is run at the provincial level, not federal)

I'm not in healthcare, but I'm trying to stay politically aware.

We'd love to have you. I just want you to be prepared with the best information.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

As a person in technology, I envy you the chance to leverage a skill useful in the real world.

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[-] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Germany is desperate for nurses, currently. Just a heads-up though: Whether you'll feel welcomed here sadly still depends on your skin color! And most Jews don't show their heritage and faith publicly, again sadly for good reason.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry if this seems lazy, but Canada has a decent population of Jews. Since you are a nurse, you have a better chance of getting in. Obviously there's a ton of paperwork involved, but might be worth looking into.

If you speak French, France might also be a good choice. Hella good worker's rights there.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Not to brag but I speak French, Hebrew and German alongside English.

Yeah I've heavily considered Canada though ironically it seems they're going to elect their own Trump and might become more like the US. Still, I'm seriously considering it.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Not a brag, your languages very relevant to finding a new place to live.

I wish good folks would stay and fight. But at the same time, I don't blame anyone for leaving.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Canada is a pretty good market for nurses.

[-] JewishLeftist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I guess I can become a Canadian of convenience :P

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

I'm also an American who moved to Canada - I did that because my wife lives up here but I've found it an extremely welcoming culture.

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[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Working in healthcare --> always consider Norway, because they pay good and their system is well funded. That's so much more than you can say about most other countries.

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 7 points 3 weeks ago

Thoughts on New Zealand or Austrailia?

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[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 7 points 3 weeks ago

Good luck! Not only is it's expensive to do this, it will also take years.

If you manage to get it all figured out, please do not forget to update us all here!

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[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Ireland. English speaking, need nurses, Americans move here handy enough. Your faith wont matter.

[-] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

I don't want to botch your plans but you gotta keep in mind that the educational systems in the EU and US are very different. Being a RN might not mean a lot abroad. I Germany there is however a lack of nurses and programs to recruit internationally. Maybe the situation is similar in other EU countries.

Where ever you are planing to go: Compare salaries cost of living, and what is publicly funded and what not. I think many people are turned off from moving because salaries are lower...

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