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The Palestinian activists fighting for LGBTQ+ rights against a neverending backdrop of war (www.lgbtqnation.com)

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[-] z9t377ankd@lemy.lol 30 points 3 weeks ago

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[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 3 weeks ago

And? So is where I grew up in the southern US. There are states I can’t legally visit anymore if I want to piss in a public restroom. That doesn’t mean I’m okay with bombing most of the hospitals, schools, and homes there and killing tens of thousands of civilians. Anyone OK with that because they’re bigoted in some way has a fucking moral deficiency.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

This doesn't make any sense - if anything it's backwards. being oppressed doesn't give anyone a free pass to oppress others. That kind of twisted logic is what Israel uses to get away with murder.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fun fact, you can’t find anywhere in my comment that says “being oppressed makes oppressing others okay” because that’s not what it says. It says that parents potentially being bigoted isn’t an excuse to blow up their fucking children.

I’ve yet to have anyone give me a satisfactory explanation for why Palestinian kids deserve to have their limbs blown off or killed for living in an area hostile to LGBT people, but the people I grew up with who are equally hostile to LGBT people don’t deserve to have their kids’ limbs blown off or killed. If the answer is “American children are simply worth more than Palestinian children” then they should just come out and say it, but all I ever get is bleating about the same shit I already addressed.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

I’ve yet to have anyone give me a satisfactory explanation for why Palestinian kids deserve to have their limbs blown off or killed for living in an area hostile to LGBT people

Is anyone actually saying this? What I usually see, like "queers for Palestine" is the opposite — people who excuse the extreme homophobia and misogyny in Islamic countries.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago

You are in a thread that started with a 1 day old account JAQing off about how transphobic Palestine is on a post about Palestinians campaigning for LGBT rights. If you don’t see that the purpose of that comment is to legitimize violence against Palestine I can’t help you.

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[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Most of the southern US won't stone you or murder you in broad daylight though. What's happening in Palestine and Israel is fucked up, but it doesn't give a pass to the shit they do to the LGTBQ+ and women over there.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 weeks ago

Most of the southern US won't stone you or murder you in broad daylight though.

Since October 1st 2023, 20 trans people in the US are known to have died from violence. Almost half of them died in the south (as defined by the US census). Are trans people in the south any safer for it happening under cover of night? Pretending for a moment none of them were killed in broad daylight (some were).

Again, nobody is saying it excuses bigotry. Only a fucking idiot thinks bombing hospitals, schools, and civilians is going to somehow improve the lives of LGBT Palestinians (who everyone somehow neglects to give a shit about in these conversations except as a cudgel against western LGBT people).

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Since October 1st 2023, 20 trans people in the US are known to have died from violence. Almost half of them died in the south (as defined by the US census). Are trans people in the south any safer for it happening under cover of night?

Yes, trans people in the US are safer than in Palestine. Jesus Christ.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/415610_WEST-BANK-AND-GAZA-2022-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf

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Violence against LGBTQI+ Persons: There were reported cases of violence,
criminalization, or abuse based on sexual orientation and gender identity in the
West Bank. OHCHR and NGOs reported Hamas security forces in Gaza harassed
and detained persons due to their sexual orientation or gender identity. Both noted,
however, that such cases were rarely reported, especially in Gaza, because of
concerns about protecting the safety those involved.
OHCHR observers reported PA security officers harassedand sometimes arrested
individuals due to their sexual orientation or gender identity. LGBTQI+
individuals were also victims of targeted hate crimes and violent acts. Media
reported that Ahmed Abu Markhiya, a gay Palestinian, was killed by decapitation
in Hebron on October 5. Abu Markhiya had been residing in Israel for several
years under a humanitarian permit reportedly because of death threats he received
while living in the West Bankand was awaiting approval of an asylum application
to Canada, according to media reports. Palestinian police made an arrest and
continued an investigation intothe killing.
Media reported that lesbians in the West Bank and Gaza concealed their sexual
orientation due to fear they would be killed by their families.
The PA failed to protect members of the LGBTQI+ community. After an attack on
members of the community at the Al Mustawde restaurant earlier in the year, the
PA did not make any attempts to hold the culprits accountable for their action.
Discrimination: The PA does not provide protection for or prohibit
discrimination against the LGBTQI+ community. Homosexuality is widely
considered to be taboo in areas under PA control and in Gaza.
Activities associated with the LGBTQI+ community were met with strong
opposition, and the Palestinian police often acted to prevent these activities. As a
result of this and other discriminatory conduct, the LGBTQI+ community in the
West Bank was driven underground and had no vocal representatives or NGOs
willing to speak in the West Bank, according to observers. Similarly, in Gaza,
according to observers, there was no visible LGBTQI+ community. Observers
reported that human rights organizations in Gaza did not monitor and refused to
address LGBTQ+ issues.
Availability of Legal Gender Recognition: There is no legal method for
correcting gender markers on identity documents.
Involuntary or Coercive Medical or Psychological Practices Specifically
Targeting LGBTQI+ Individuals: According to media reports, family members
of LGBTQI+ individuals subjected them to involuntary or coercive medical,
psychological, and religious practices throughout the West Bank and Gaza. Media
reported that a Palestinian man confronted his son, age 18, after finding messages
on the son’s mobile phone between him and another young man suggesting a
same-sex relationship. The son claimed his father attacked him, beat him, and
renounced him. The father forced him to meet with a cleric weekly until he
attempted unsuccessfully to kill himself, according to the report.
Restrictions of Freedom of Expression, Association, or Peaceful Assembly:
The PA in cases limited freedom of expression, association, and peaceful
assembly, although not explicitly based on sexual orientation or identity, and it
tolerated such actions by vigilantes and armed militias. During the year, in the
West Bank, peaceful assemblies and gatherings attended by LGBTQI+ individuals
were disrupted. For example, the Warehouse (event space) in Ramallah was
closed after a campaign of incitement, hate speech, and assault, which followed a
June 17 attack on the venue and cancellation of a musical performance because the
artist was “gay.” According to media reports, the attackers circulated a video on
social media and, following the violent attack, targeted the performance space with
an incitement campaign based on a false account of the events and the place.
According to media, approximately 200,000 social media users participated,
leaving thousands of hate-filled comments and incitement to murder (see 2.a.,
Academic Freedom and Cultural Events).

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

The middle east in general, and subsaharan Africa, are by far the most homophobic regions on Earth: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

Lots of people all around the world are transphobic as fuck. That doesn't mean I want them and their children to get bombed or starved to death.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

And let’s not pretend that trans Palestinians aren’t also being bombed and starved

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

It is, and that's when a discussion about Muslim nations gets very real.

They still don't deserve their treatment. But I think most people would prefer to live in a culture similar to Israel's over one similar to Iran's.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So are you saying that Orthodox Jews and conservative Christians aren’t transphobic, or that we should go Gaza on Texas?

[-] DeadPand@midwest.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

I think OP was wondering why LGBTQ folks would support a group that hates them.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 17 points 3 weeks ago

Doesn’t mean to say that they deserve to die though, does it?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Because they have empathy.

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

There are LGBTQ people in Palestine, do you think Israel's bombs don't kill them too?

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

Because my basic humanity requires me to care about theirs, even if they don't care about mine.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Do Americans hate us? The only people I’ve been verbally and physically assaulted by have been Americans.

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[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

Not sure about trans acceptance in particular but judged by Arab standards Palestinians are generally right-out progressive. More in the "don't ask, don't tell" stage with the occasional threat by fundies.

...and that all of course is West Bank. Gaza under Hamas rule is a completely different topic as Hamas are fundies.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How come do you think South Africa was one of the first countries to legalize marriage equality? Solidarity is how we do away with hate.

Go watch Pride. 2014 British movie. Will make you cry.

Edit, fuck I went and watched the ending again and I'm crying.

[-] chloyster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

Why is this relevant? The article is about Palestinian activists fighting for LGBT rights for Palestine. Yes the rights of LGBT people in Palestine are not great .... But that's literally what this article is about, Palestinians fighting to make it better

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

So is the US and Canada and the UK. Should I wish for those countries to be genocided too?

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

The more we keep killing them the faster they will realize they must be the violent barbarians that should adopt our culture.

That's how this works right?

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[-] Pieresqi@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are some folks who can't comprehend the mentality of:

"They hate us so they don't deserve to die"

Wow, get out of your tribalistic hole

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