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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Soon after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas and the start of Israel's offensive in Gaza, leading Republicans, including presidential candidates, said the U.S. should not welcome Palestinian refugees, claiming that they are antisemitic and potential national security risks.

They really just eat up any racist stereotypes they're given

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Some. SOME. And all they have to do is uproot their lives and flee across the Atlantic.

I want to be more enthusiastic about voting for you, Joe, but this isn’t doing it.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

So many have crossed that water. If you are American, there is someone in your linage that uprooted themselves and took that chance. And they're still standing in line.

Sometimes it isn't about votes. Sometimes it's doing what is right.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Doing what's right is using the US' leverage to stop the killing, not accepting 'some refugees'. In fact, Netanyahu would love nothing more than to have everyone from the Gaza strip move elsewhere.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

US leverage is not a golden wand

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 3 points 6 months ago

It pretty much is. And even if it wasn't, cutting off military aid to a regime committing war crimes is both the moral and legal thing to do. Biden is literally breaking US law to keep sending weapons to Israel.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago

My great grandmother was an indentured servant for 4 years. That was the only way she could afford to emigrate from Europe.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 6 months ago

The right thing to do would be to force Israel to adhere to what the UN says plus what Israel had previously agreed to.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

"Some"...

All they have to do is leave the area their ancestors have lived in for thousands of years so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

First of all, a whole lot of people have done that very thing for a better life.

Secondly, those Jews have been there as long as Arabs have.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago

In most cases, longer. Jews had been in Iraq more than a thousand years before Islam was even developed.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

First of all, a whole lot of people have done that very thing for a better life

So do you think Ukranians should leave and let Russia have their land?

Secondly, those Jews have been there as long as Arabs have.

Factually untrue.

The only reason Israel was created was Europeans countries still wanted to get rid of their Jewish populations.

So they sent them to the Middle East and told the people living there to GTFO.

Edit:

Also while nouns are used for ethnicity, adjectives are appropriate for things like religion.

If they were Arabs, then they're from that area.

They may be Jewish as well. But saying anyone that's Jewish is from the Middle East just isn't logical.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are Ukrainians in the US.

Where did the word Judah come from and where is it?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

There are Ukrainians in the US.

And there are Israelis here too... I know a couple that escaped after being forced into the IDF.

Where did the word Judah come from and where is it?

By your logic every human alive has a claim to Africa and can go there and genocide their incredibly distant cousins because Africa is rightfully theirs...

You're talking about stuff from thousands of years ago. Israel the country has existed for less time than the current US president has been alive. Who cares about a different ancient kingdom?

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Israel the country has existed for less time than the current US president has beenant alive

If you want to start in 1948, that's when Palestine was created too.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#British_Mandate_of_Palestine

Palestine existed, the British broke some off and created Israel.

That doesn't mean Palestine became a new territory that also happened to be called Palestine.

It was still Palestine, just missing some pieces of Palestine.

By your logic, the British also created India when they broke a piece off to make Pakistan...

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The UN created Isreal as well as Palestine. Yes, there were Arabs in the area all along. The jews were there 3,000 years ago but were forced off by the Romans. TheBrits simply held the territory after WWII.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So...

That was 2,000 years ago...

Should the royal family of England also return England to it's natives?

Should they return America to the Native Americans?

They didn't seem to agree with the Irish when they wanted to kick the English out of Ireland.

Why stop at 3,000 years ago?

Why not return it to the descendants of the first hominids that set foot there? Modern Asians had to cross thru first to get to Asia, and some went all the way to the Americas.

Should we give Native Americans Israel and call it a day? Sure, they left, but by your logic that doesn't matter

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Let us settle on a date. I guess not the history of an ancient land. I guess not the creation of state. What is it?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

What's not to get?

Palestine has existed uninterrupted for thousands of years...

It was where Abraham first started hearing voices in his head commanding him to kill his family which launched Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Israel was created less than a century ago and it's borders have only expanded. And they argue that they're "the real Palestinians" and claim Palestine's history as their own.

None of that makes logical sense, but it's easy to see what they're trying to do.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Reading history, this is not true.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.

Fucking what

EDIT: Love that I'm getting downvoted for being appalled by the "They aren't REAL Jews" rhetoric here. Stay classy. Maybe if you embrace enough antisemitism, you'll stop the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's this notion that modern Israelis are essentially just Europeans who invaded after WWII, which is simply not true.

While the Zionist movement largely did originate in Europe in the late 1800s, the majority of Israeli citizens today are not of European ancestry / Ashkenazi. The majority are what's called Mizrahi, coming from Middle Eastern Jewish communities that were forcibly expelled from Arab countries during the 50s and 60s. For instance, Ben Gvir, the current Minister of Defense (and to be clear, a complete little shit), is from an Iraqi family. In 1948, there were roughly 150,000 Jews in Iraq, making up nearly 40% of the population of Baghdad. Today, there are estimated to be less than five. Likewise, in Yemen, there were roughly 50,000 Jews, maintaining a presence that goes back well over 2500 years. Today, there may be one single Jew left in the country. The same situation happened all throughout the Arab world. The departing Jews generally had to flee their homes without any significant belongings, since their property was often confiscated. In Syria, for instance, a 1964 decree prevented Jews from traveling more than 3 miles from their homes, banned them from owning land, banned them from working in the government or in banks, banned them from leaving anything as inheritance - which would instead be seized by the state.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

This person thinks that because the Jews who emigrated to Israel after the Holocaust were from Europe, their grandchildren who were born in Israel are somehow not deserving of living where they were born and should "go back where they came from". It's the same old dog whistle

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wow. So let me guess, you think every Israeli should vacate the middle east right? Even people who were born there, creating the same issue all over again. And let me guess, you don't want the Arab or Muslim Israelis to leave right? Just "certain" ones

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago

Or, maybe let them have their homes back in Palestine without ongoing violence? I wonder which they'd prefer.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

What kind of hypocritical bullshit is this? How about stop helping Isreal so they don't become refugees in the first place. Pick a fucking lane. You either don't care about Palestinians or you do. You don't get to play both sides.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

A humane solution with the force of law is usually an easy one to adopt.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That will stop any believe, that they are actively helping Israel clear out Gaza...

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So, giving a shot at a better life is a bad thing? I'm sure that there are some Gazians that would disagree.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

They could, and I know this sounds crazy, stop funding a genocide and human right violations. But it's america, and we all know their history... Except a lot of americans it seems.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is about as empty and meaningless as the dock for aid solution.

[–] darharrison@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Saving lives and trying to right your wrongs: a famously meaningless action.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is not righting a wrong if he's still giving Israel money. This is like paying for a bandaid because the guy you keep giving a bunch of knives to is stabbing people. It's a small damage control move when he himself is funding the damage in the first place.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

He's not trying to right a wrong, that would be cutting off Israel from money and weapons. Instead of trying to keep Netanyahu from getting arrested