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    [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 195 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
    • On Reddit: "Windows is being enshitified. How can we cope with it?"
    • On Lemmy: "Windows is being enshitified. Good thing we've moved to Linux"

    I think I see a pattern here.

    [–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 57 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
    On Reddit: “Windows is being enshitified. How can we cope with it?”
    On Lemmy: “Windows is being enshitified. Good thing we’ve moved to Linux”
    

    I think I see a pattern here.

    Interesting. I guess it has to do with what you are used to and what feels comfortable.

    Linus Torvalds once made this remark :

    When you say 'I wrote a program that crashed Windows,' people just stare at you blankly and say 'Hey, I got those with the system, for free.'

    If I think back of the days that I was using Linux and I saw friends and family using Windows95 that had just launched (with a massive hype, and using a Rolling Stones song to promote it) the Blue Screen of Death was fairly normal for folks. And they lived with it, and they continued to live with it because they thought that they had no choice, and they were incredibly happy to not having to use DOS anymore. Later some of the folks I knew after having their Windows computer flocked with Windows viruses they bought a Mac, and as a matter of saying, lived happily ever after. Not everyone can afford Macs though.And not every "normie" is ready to use Linux.

    [–] The_v@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Mac did have a better OS than Win 95 -Win98 It was smoother and crashed less.

    The difference was that Windows still ran DOS programs, 5.25" floppy disks etc... They made the decision to maintain backwards compatibility.

    Mac decided to drop support regularly for what they considered "outdated software and technology." For example: when USB drives came out they canceled support for 3.5" floppies in their OS. Machines that had a 3.5" drive installed could no longer use it. Put a floppy drive in and nothing happened.

    Although Mac was a smoother more stable OS, windows had more functionality and greater compatability. Windows was a far superior product because of it. Even with the regular apearance of the blue screen of death.

    Linux at the time also suffered from being a terminal based OS. Too much like DOS for way too long. I used it for specific tasks where it excelled at.

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    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 21 points 6 months ago

    There might be a correlation between Linux and alternative Socials

    [–] HorreC@kbin.social 142 points 6 months ago (40 children)

    I just dont get it, you pay for the OS, they monitor you like a hawk and sell that shit. Now they are like we need to make sure they get all these ads too, also we are going to ruin any app that you use, like search or notepad. We will milk this mother dry then claim users dont understand how much it costs to run the company.

    [–] shrugal@lemm.ee 71 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If you have a monopoly and need to maximize profits then the question becomes: Why not?! You could extract more money this way, and it's not like your users would go anywhere else at this point.

    That is why it's so important to fight and break up monopolies, and to limit what these companies can do. Because they have no reason not to squeeze every penny they can get out of you!

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    [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

    This is the norm of what shareholder-driven companies in a situation of monopoly will tend to do. They try to see how much they can abuse their position of dominance on the market to maximize their profits. Microsoft's primary goal isn't to make a good user experience, or even a good OS. Their main goal is to milk as much money as possible from its assets for its shareholders. They've been playing that game for decades, only backtracking when the consumer backlash is strong enough to threaten their sales or when the government threatens to break them up.

    On top of that, Microsoft has a long history of letting arrogant elements of top management take control of projects who will then force their "vision" down the throats of their customers who don't want any of it. They will only backtrack once the sales numbers become disastrous enough. Then usually the control returns to more competent people and a decent product tends to result from it. Think how Windows Vista lead to Windows 7. And how Windows 8 lead to Windows 10. Or even how the XBox One was originally designed and marketed as some sort of stupid way to watch NFL games on your TV with Kinect controls until they realized they were losing the console war and then started treating it like a gaming console again.

    [–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)
    1. Pay for the hardware

    2. Pay for the software

    3. Subscribe to your own machine

    Get your wallet out, serf. The landlords renting your computer to you need another yacht.

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    [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Notepad is horrible now, how tf do you mess that up??

    [–] pumpkinseedoil@feddit.de 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)
    [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    In Windows 11 it saves every text file you open as a new tab, so every time you open a text file you’ll have tabs upon tabs of every previous text file you’ve ever opened.

    Here’s a Reddit post with some people talking about how to disable it, how frustrating it is, and even how it’s causing problems by straight up opening the wrong file if it’s named the same as a text file you’ve opened in the past.

    [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Wow finally. I remember when I moved to Notepad++ a decade ago when I still used Windows, to get that behaviour. Being able to close it without losing all the open tabs was a game changer.

    [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, I noticed it in the new Notepad. Nifty feature. Notepad++ is still my go to for everything. Especially dumping "temporary code" in unsaved tabs, then like 6 months later trying to figure out if any of its still relevant or safe to finally close.

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    [–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 78 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The Linux infiltration of PC gaming communities has been one of the most successful covert operations in the history of espionage. So successful that the agents don't even need to hide their identities.

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    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 71 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Wait a bit Ubuntu is next. They already added terminal ads, embedded affiliate links for amazon, and sold user data to amazon.

    [–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 55 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    The Amazon story is really old and Ubuntu did hear the critical voices and reverted the change. The terminal ads can be annoying on servers but you can turn them off.

    https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Disable_dynamic_motd_and_motd_news_spam_on_Ubuntu_18.04.html

    If you want to throw dirt on Ubuntu, let's talk about Snaps and the messy Snap Store and how the current Ubuntu site looks like (not desktop user friendly really), and what they did to LXD

    [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 43 points 6 months ago

    but you can turn them off.

    Isn’t that line of thinking the same as this post is making fun of?

    [–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago

    If being able to turn off ads make them ok then i guess we can't complain about windows ads yet either.

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    [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    AFAIK the "terminal ads" were suggesting Ubuntu Pro when using the package management. It's very far away from actual ads. Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.

    You've read it here, folks. Microsoft just needs to promote Xbox deals and such, then it's not an ad space sold to third parties. (Either that or you're holding Canonical to a different standard than Microsoft.)

    [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    It would be more like MS selling extended support, which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.

    Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really. A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.

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    [–] Sebbe@lemmy.sebbem.se 24 points 6 months ago

    Just don't use Ubuntu then.

    [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 16 points 6 months ago

    Now that I think about it, the decline of ubuntu began when they inserted amazon affiliate links in their ui a long time ago. The final straw for me is forcing snaps when attempting to install some apps via apt. I replaced all my ubuntu machines with debian without any issue.

    [–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

    This is such horseshit. The drama of the Linux community never ceases to amaze me.

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    [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

    linuxmemes

    Windows meme

    Checks out.

    [–] ignotum@lemmy.world 79 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

    Shitting on windows is the most Linux thing you can do

    [–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 11 points 6 months ago

    And we don't even need to, because windows users already complain about windows all the time.

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    [–] Thann@lemmy.ml 51 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Tell me again how Linux is hard to use

    [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Fucking with display drivers to get your shit to boot is several magnitudes harder than ignoring an ad.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago (28 children)

    Fucking with display drivers to get your shit to boot is several magnitudes harder than ignoring an ad.

    Found the Nvidia user.

    [–] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Nah, the last time this user tried Linux was probably 2005. You can get to a desktop and install proprietary drivers from the app store relatively painlessly on most distros.

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    [–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 27 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    At this point I'm not sure if this is a meme or what...

    Last time I switched distro a few years ago I tried a dozen of them (dropped the ISOs on a Ventoy drive). None of them had trouble getting a usable desktop of correct resolution.

    Now sure, if you want an optimal, accelerated driver, on some of them you may have to figure out that distro's preferred way of doing it. But that's also true on Windows. And on Windows the vast majority of people don't bother beyond the install, because it makes no difference to them.

    Optimal drivers are essential only to a small subset of users like gamers and I expect a PC gamer to be able to figure out how to install a driver.

    But I repeat it's not even an issue on most modern distros. (I have an Nvidia card too.)

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    [–] Teon@kbin.social 35 points 6 months ago

    It's SUPER hard to use. I had to download an .iso from my distro's website, make a bootable USB drive, plug that into my computer and boot into it, answer a few questions and wait a few minutes, A FEW MINUTES... can you believe that??
    And then It had the audacity to give me a super easy, working, private OS! Like what the fuck!
    How bloody dare you make my life difficult. I was expecting to be TRACKED and EXPLOITED and BOMBARDED with ads all day.
    Instead I get all this calm and happiness??
    FFS!

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    [–] DrillingStricken@programming.dev 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Man, securing the privacy of a Windows PC can really wear you down. Remember all those times I spent tweaking the Group Policy Settings? Turning off each and every one of them was a chore, but the real kicker was having to do it all over again after every update.

    And don't even get me started on that spyware.exe in the task manager. It seemed like it was everywhere, hiding in plain sight and multiplying with each passing day. Finding and closing all those instances was a real headache.

    But the icing on the cake was the constant need to check the privacy settings after every update. I couldn't afford to take my eyes off the ball, and the fear of something breaking or getting compromised was always present.

    The whole experience left me feeling drained and frustrated. I mean, who needs that kind of stress in their life? That's why I made the switch to Linux – it was a welcome relief and a breath of fresh air.

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    [–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 29 points 6 months ago

    That's how I feel installing 5+ apps to modify Windows until it works like it did in Windows XP.

    [–] Michal@programming.dev 26 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Meanwhile Linux users trying to ger wifi to work

    [–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

    Yes, but like 10 years ago. That was probably the last time I ripped out chunks of hair and snapped off teeth trying to configure a half supported broadcom wireless card.

    [–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago

    I rarely have WiFi issues on Linux. At least not with internal WiFi cards. USB ones can sometimes be a problem, but not often.

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    [–] mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

    We need to make more memes like this. Now we are considered crazy using Linux. They need to be repaid for it 🥰

    [–] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago

    Ubuntu advertises their paid cloud hosting service every time you install server manually.

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