this post was submitted on 08 Apr 2024
87 points (94.8% liked)

Privacy

31993 readers
514 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

Chat rooms

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
top 26 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] comfydecal@infosec.pub 38 points 7 months ago (5 children)

It gets deeper: NSA watches which pages you go to on Wikipedia and many nation states also sensor the site

https://github.com/Nangjing/wikiless

Plus, I'll take a guess that many other nation states have no fly lists

[–] Kelly@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

If you are like me, and you also like the NSA, feel free to contribute and add more fun facts!

Its a fun read

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You also could use Tor. Trying to change the most widely accepted website is probably not going to work.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Best used with TAILS. Even the NSA said this tech was a disaster to their visibility (in top secret internal slides publisher by the press)

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That would make Qubes+Whonix an absolute nightmare for the NSA.

Except that's not true

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Tor is way harder for the NSA to break than anything else.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Funny because they created Tor

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They actually didn't. That would be the DoD. Also that changes nothing. Tor is the best tool we have against surveillance and censorship.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Except that with the money that the government has, they broke it a while ago. Notwithstanding zero days, one can essentially brute-force it with enough funding

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Do you have an actual source? Anyone can break anything with enough effort as nothing is perfect. They key is that it makes targeting all users difficult.

It sounds like they just don't want you to use Tor. If there was some better program that might be different but Tor is better than no Tor

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

The US probably runs a huge number of TOR nodes, and can therefore do correlation analysis* to unmask TOR users. I'm not an expert, so don't take this statement at face value, but that's my understanding. Also keep in mind that if your threat model includes the NSA or similar agencies, you are probably overly paranoid or else you are fucked.

*edit to add: this is called a "Sybil" attack. Look it up in relation to TOR. Again, this doesn't mean that TOR isn't perfectly secure for most threat models, but neither is it impervious.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you have evidence of this? Because without evidence you are just spreading misinformation

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How would I have specific evidence that US intelligence (who created TOR, btw) runs a large number (majority?) of exit nodes? I happen to think it is quite likely, but if you read my comment carefully, you can see that I did not present a statement of fact. It's not 'misinformation' but I would understand if you wanted to call it FUD.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What your describing is a fallacy

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago
[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 7 months ago

They do run lots of nodes. And thank god too, the more the better it is for us all.

The ability for them to use those nodes to track Tor users is laughingly fleeting, if you're running an up-to-date version of TAILS and not doing something stupid like checking your firstname.lastname@gmail.com at the same time as you're uploading docs to SecureDrpp

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

This is exactly what they did

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol. Doesn't matter if you don't believe me, but you'd be insane to think that the NSA hasn't actively tried to exploit the TOR network for surveillance

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Classic motte and bailey argument.

[–] PoorPocketsMcNewHold@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

Would need it's own submission, but still have to point out. NSA, if you are indeed watched, will try to track you on every other websites. Using a third-party Wikipedia proxy won't change a thing. Read the actual text on the wikiless README.md, even them just explain that NSA is interested in Wikipedia tracking, and haven't been known to have compromised it so far.

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I feel like I remember seeing somewhere that the entirety of Wikipedia can be downloaded? (Use offline)

You'd have to update periodically for newer articles.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why the reminder?

Anti Commercial AI thingyCC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because it is just one of many injustices

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

True. I thought something had happened recently like a Palestinian ambassador getting put on the list or something.

Anti Commercial AI thingyCC BY-NC-SA 4.0