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I'm digging anarchists' more hands on, pragmatic approach to politics. I finished The Conquest of Bread a couple of weeks ago and I'm currently working my way through Bullshit Jobs. Any suggestions about theory, praxis, mutual aid, etc. would be appreciated

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[-] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 6 days ago

I just read this: https://slrpnk.net/post/9405230

and the OP (though not the pamphlet author) sent me here.

Specifically, with a question. The author mentions offhandedly that in an anarchistic society there would be no need for lawyers. But in a society governed by consensus and consent, wouldn't professional advocates be more useful, not less? Any insight?

[-] dasenboy@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

I highly recommend "An Anarchist FAQ" :

https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/index.html

This FAQ is what turned me to an Anarchist.

[-] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Seconding this.

AFAQ gives overviews on topics with a lot of quoting from books and essays. It often notes that a book is 'essential reading' for a certain topic.

So it's not only an informative read in itself, it's a great source for people looking for reading recommendations.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Awesome, thanks! Sounds a lot like what I've been looking for

[-] pbpza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago

You may join local IWW, help with local food not bombs, go to some anarchist bookfair near you etc. About theory, there is a website called the anarchist library with a lot of books concerning anarchism for free!

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Thanks for the tips! I've found a mutual aid group in my city and apparently there's a food not bombs chapter here too. I've looked through the anarchist Library a few times but their search function isn't the greatest and being pretty new to leftist ideology, anarchism in particular, a lot of the authors are completely unfamiliar to me. I'm not sure if what I'll be digging into is any good and/or too much for me to wrap my head around. I was hoping to find the general consensus among anarchists of where to start, what to look into, etc. so id be able to read more confidently and with most of the basics covered

[-] iriyan@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

and libcomm.org

[-] hamborgr@feddit.de 12 points 10 months ago

I haven't read any anarchist books myself yet, but I have read plenty of shorter texts I found online (mostly from The Anarchist Library).

Here are a few I found to be worth a read (in no particular order):

Since you already read The Conquest of Bread I decided to leave out most of Kropotkin's shorter texts, as I assume that you should already be familiar with his ideas and principles.

Although not anarchists, I still find many libertarian Marxists to be pretty insightful as well (some may as well be Anarchists in denial). Anton Pannekoek's and Rosa Luxemburg's works being some I really enjoy reading.

I also have What is Anarchism? (by Alexander Berkman) and Anarcho-Syndicalism (by Rudolf Rocker) standing on my bookshelf, but I haven't gotten around to reading them quite yet. If they sound interesting enough you could give them a try.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Thanks! I'll check them out

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

On Anarchism, Noam Chomsky.

[-] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

An aside, but you should consider crossposting this to !anarchism101@lemmy.ca - it could use the posts!

EDIT: It could use more subscribers, too, of course!

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[-] Hotchip@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Fan of Bookchins work myself. I would suggest googling him, and if you're into podcasts: give srsly wrong a listen. Its libertarian socialist thought broken down in a podcast with skits and well humored education/interviews. Their discord also has a fantastic bookclub with live readings and discussion.

[-] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

give srsly wrong a listen

Can you recommend an episode or two to start with? Something representative of their typical quality, format, and tone? Preferably recent, too?

(Sorry if this is a bit of a weird request. I just like to know I'm giving a podcast a fair go, without having to listen to, like, 5 episodes to figure out what it's usually like. 😆)

[-] Hotchip@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

It would kind of depend on what topics you're interested in. Episodes 242, 243, and the Social ecology series that starts at episode 219 are fantastic.

I would suggest listening to a few on topics you're curious about. Each non-series episode is easy to follow by itself, no need to start form episode one.

[-] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago
[-] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In addition to the great suggestions others have already provided, check out Emma Goldman's writings if you haven't already. They might appeal to you and she has some interesting takes.

Here's a good starting point: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/goldman/GoldmanCW.html

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Sweet, thanks!

[-] KlutzyZebrasOutgrow@geddit.social 4 points 10 months ago

My only suggestion is that much of Errico Malatesta's writings are better than Conquest of Bread. Don't take Conquest of Bread too seriously, in my opinion.

[-] nix@merv.news 4 points 10 months ago

Good youtube channels would be nice too. So far i just know of submedia

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Noncompete is pretty good, but posts infrequently. They have a sizeable backlog though. He's an intersectionalist ancom if you're curious

[-] nix@merv.news 2 points 10 months ago
[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Hey, someone posted some more comments in this thread and while I was here I thought of your comment. I just found zoe baker, she's a PHD in anarchism and I've liked a lot of her content. You may be interested in it as well

[-] nix@merv.news 2 points 9 months ago

Thanks! Ill search for her work

[-] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

I also recommend Renegade Cut, Andrewism and Think That Through.

[-] laxsill@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago

Sandströms anarchist accounting and most stuff by Öcalan.

[-] jamieWxyzt@kulupu.duckdns.org 3 points 10 months ago

I found "At The Café" dialogues by Malatesta to be a very entertaining yet insightful reas, especially when it comes to discussions among leftists about power structures.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Sounds interesting, I'll check it out!

[-] klep@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

What is Property by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

The Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin

Luigi Galleani

Emma Goldman

There's a lot. I could make a more comprehensive list when I get done with work, if you'd like.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Awesome, thank you! I'd be happy to hear any other recommendations you have. I'm reading an anarchist programme by Malatesta next, then it's on to anarchy by Malatesta. I might dive a bit deeper into David Graeber's works after that. Bullshit Jobs was fascinating

[-] klep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Some more I thought of, by no means a comprehensive list though. Just what I've read on the subject that appealed to me as I was studying anarchism as a political philosophy.

Statism and Anarchy by Mikhail Bakunin

Anarcho-syndicalism: Theory and Practice by Rudolf Rocker

Mutual Aid by Kropotkin

Trotsky discusses anarchism in Marxism and Ararchism

Nestor Makhno has some interesting writings

Chomsky is good

Émile Armand has some good writings on Individualist Anarchism (he's very anti-conflict though, which I tend to disagree with)

Lastly, something I would strongly recommend if you're new to anarchist thought and philosophy is Anarchism: Arguments For and Against by Albert Meltzer.

I am leaving out tons of great writings and writers/philosophers/theorists (and theories)/poets/etc...

There is a lot out there. Let me know if you have any questions!

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Awesome, I appreciate it! Especially the inclusion of something that would seem to have (at least some) criticisms of anarchism. I've been having trouble finding good faith critiques of leftist thought be it Marxism, anarchism, Maoism, etc. Searching "criticism of x" usually results in right wing hit pieces

[-] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Pyter Kropotkin's Mutual aid and conquest of bread.

Both have somethings that are out dated. But both are very good for foundational understanding of anarchy.

[-] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The best libertarian left anarchism-compatible modern critique of capitalism has been put forward by libertarian left economist David Ellerman. He himself is not an anarchist, but his critique was cited in the anarchist FAQ. He also explains why capitalist economists defense of capitalism is besides the point.

A link to a short article where he explains his argument: https://www.ellerman.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Council_DemocracyCaseForWorkplaceDemocracy.pdf

His book where he completely details his anti-capitalist argument: https://www.ellerman.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Ellerman-Property-and-Contract-Book.pdf

[-] RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social 2 points 9 months ago

@jlou @anarchism

A legal system backed by state violence is *NOT* "anarchism-compatible".

[-] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Legal systems don't have to be backed by state violence per se

[-] krypton@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

For a comprehensive overview of the diverse currents of anarchist thought and practice, I am really enjoying the Palgrave Handbook of Anarchism. It can be downloaded on Annas Archive.

I also like this Wikipedia list of Books about Anarchism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_about_anarchism

[-] sinewyshadow@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

He's not an anarchist, per se, but Noam Chomsky is always good to read. I heard Neal Stephenson's book The Diamond Age is about anarchy? As well as Kim Stanley Robinson's book Red Planet. Sadly, those are the only two I am aware of!

[-] CurlyWurlies4All 1 points 1 week ago

Beyond theory I found practical examples were extremely helpful in understanding how anarchist politics relate to real life, so I'd recommend Revolution in Rojava: Democratic Autonomy and Women's Liberation in Syrian Kurdistan.

[-] MHSJenkins@infosec.pub 2 points 1 week ago

Revolution in Rojava: Democratic Autonomy and Women’s Liberation in Syrian Kurdistan

I highly recommend this book to anyone interested in new ways of community building or the current events unfolding in the region.

[-] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago

I started with A Crime Called Freedom: Writings of Os Cangaceiros, but try as I might I can't find volume 2 of it anywhere.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

I’m digging anarchists’ more hands on, pragmatic approach to politics

I saw this post from /all...

But isn't the entire point of anarchy no government, how exactly do you think thats "hands on"?

Or is this one of those things where people have invented new definitions for existing terms like saying the USSR was communist?

[-] Andy@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

There are many disagreeing takes on everything from folks who identify as anarchist, but "no government" doesn't mean "nothing the government does should be done at all."

Instead the idea is to foster organization of society such that relationships of domination are minimized. Some frame this as the development of a much more active and empowered "civil society" of negotiation, production, and problem solving that, in its approach, is fundamentally at odds with and hampered by the authority-oriented organizational model of government.

And the notion of direct action emphasizes the difference between petitioning representatives to change the world on one hand, with taking up responsibility for action and organization yourself on the other.

[-] hamborgr@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago

I think what they mean by hands on is most likely direct action. That would include going to protests and participating in projects of mutual aid.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

how exactly do you think thats “hands on”?

It's really simple... the whole idea behind anarchism (and all libertarian socialist thought, for that matter) is to put the power of decision and action back into the hands of communities and not a bunch of far-removed and unaccountable political racketeers (which is essentially how anarchists view "formal" political establishments - and they are entirely correct in this view)

Or is this one of those things where people have invented new definitions

No. Nothing new about it... the meaning behind the term "socialism" (for instance) has always referred to a condition where the workers own the means of production. The big split in the left happened because Marxists believed the state could represent the workers - the Bakuninist anarchists believed the state would simply form a new "political elite" and simply become the new elite repressing the working class. This happened long before the Russian revolution... and subsequent events proved the anarchist side correct beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

From my very limited understanding, anarchism can mean many things depending on your ideology and the context of conversation. When I mentioned it being more pragmatic and hands on, I meant in the sense of things like mutual aid or direct action. Instead of waiting for institutions to take the reins on social issues, you and a few buddies just do it instead. People are hungry? Then feed them. Homeless? Build shelters. That sort of thing.

There's also the idea of anarchism being less an ideology, and more a mode of activism. Challenging hierarchies to justify their existence and when they can't, working to dismantle them. I came across this talk by Noam Chomsky about anarchism that kind of made it click for me. That's about all I'm willing to say because I could be wrong or misinformed about these things; but that's where I was coming from.

[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I think anarchism is more about removing hierarchies, including gender roles and man's domination of nature.

The issue is that a governing body is pretty much always formed after some time. Murray Bookchin was an anarchist for a while, before creating a new idea of communalism.

It's essentially the idea of hyper localization, and democratic self-governing of small communities. The communities then delegate an individual to discuss larger issues with neighboring communities.

Bookchin also analyzed previous anarchist rebellions to see how they failed and why. He identified one of the largest contributing factors was that once the previous government's politicians were overthrown, the anarchists refused to "take power" and preferred to do nothing.

While the anarchists did anarchy things, capitalists went right back into positions of power unchallenged. Which is why Bookchin was no longer in supportof anarchism and developed a new philosophy. Which is actually being tested right now in Rojava.

[-] poVoq 2 points 10 months ago

Bookchin is a very flawed source. Despite having contributed good ideas to anarchist theory in his earlier days, he later engaged in what to me seems like a personal vendetta against some forms of Anarchism for various reasons. Some justified at the time (hedonist lifestyle anarchism) but I think the main reason was that Anarchists consistently called him out for creating what many people consider almost a religious cult.

[-] marti_abernathey@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Chomsky is considered an anarchist but does talk about justified/unjustified hierarchies.

[-] poVoq 1 points 10 months ago

Please See rule number 4 of this community and if this was really a naive question than please educate yourself about the very basics of Anarchism before posting in this community.

Oh and despite all its failings the USSR never claimed to be communist.

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