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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 91 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The UN passed a resolution for an immediate ceasefire like a week ago...

It did as much as Biden's hollow words will now.

Cut of all aid and weapons sales to Israel and they might listen, anything else won't do anything

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

anything else won't do anything

I mean the US could also introduce a peace keeping resolution, but that would require the consent of Israel, ain't gonna happen. But at least it would be a strong message from the US.

We all know they won't even do that.

It could introduce a peace enforcement resolution at the security council. It would no doubt pass since everyone else at the table has been calling for a ceasefire for months. It would be a great opportunity to bring the west and China together.

We all know they won't do that either.

So no, other things would do things. The US executive branch just won't do them.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If it's anything more than incredibly mild criticism or ultra-vague accusations along with a wink and a nod, this Administration won't do it.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I think the problem is that US invested heavily in Israel for many decads so its very difficult to do something that could result in Israel switching alliance

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You have that backwards. AIPAC has invested in US politicians for decades. The money we send there comes right back into our politician's pockets. Biden received the most at 5 million to his campaigns.

Then there are weapons PACs. Military-Industrial Complex has every establishment politician by their grey, short, and curlies.

Fuck this world. Fuck the USA. Fuck Israel. Fuck this aggression on Palestinian civilians.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It goes both ways. Israel as always been a proxy for doing the US' dirty business in the region.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Saudi, Jordan and Egypt have been far better than israel. They host tonnes of American bases, are far more controllable and don't try to bomb Iranian embassies to start World War 3.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There's your problem, you think the US disapproves of bombing the Iranian embassy. They don't, they just won't do it themselves. Bases are one thing, but Israel has, continues, and will provide plausible deniability for some truly disgusting actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH8d7UJNmaA

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

America doesn't want war with Iran.

Israel is trying to escalate their war and involve America. Especially Netanyahu who is looking stay at war as long as possible

By bombing the Iranian embassy and committing other grave war crimes Iran will have to respond. At which point israel calls big brother Joe Biden to "defend them" against Iran. Thus dragging America into World War 3.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

America doesn't want war with Iran.

That's the funniest shit I've heard all week!

America has been saber rattling at Iran since the assassination of Mosadegh.

They propped up Sadam Hussein to fight a bloody proxy war against them, and then turned on him when he demanded reparations.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

Israel is the party that keeps trying to egg America on into starting wars with Iran. The Iraq invasion was also heavily pushed by israel

Trump: Israel was part of plans to kill Qassem Soleimani, backed out at last moment

“When we took out Soleimani, you know Israel was supposed to do it with us. Two days before the take-out, they said, ‘We can’t do it. We can’t do it.’ I said ‘What?’ ‘We can’t do it,'” the Republican presidential frontrunner told Fox News.

“Then I had a certain general, who’s great, I said, ‘So General, do we do it ourselves?’ He said, ‘We can, sir, it’s up to you.’ I said, ‘We’ll do it,'” Trump continued.

“But Israel was a part of it. You know, Bibi was a big part of it. And we had everything planned, everything. Because what [Soleimani did] was terrible. What he did to us was terrible. Killed so many of our soldiers. Killed so many people,” he added, using the nickname of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Israel does not benefit the U.S. in any way. We have NATO nations nearby and even bases in Kuwait. And that's in addition to all the carriers in the Med. They offer no strategic advantage.

We have no special financial investments with them. We do the same kind of trade we do with any other countries. A relationship with Israel offers us absolutely no financial benefit. None.

Our relationship is a favor to them, motivated mostly by religious mythology about the christian end-times that U.S. politicians are obsessed with. It's the dumbest of all possible reasons and no one will say it out loud in the news.

We need to defund this shit. And we need to help the victims.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 7 months ago

To who? They're almost universally hated by any nation around them, they've only made it this far with the US government hemorrhaging cash and arms to maintain a foothold.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

Switching to what alliance? It's not like they're going to join BRICS.

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

That's part of it - they don't want to lose their investment. The other part is that if they do stop propping up Israel, they know another country like Russia or China will happily fill the void and reap all the benefits of the influence in the region. The US could cut ties and not be involved at all but it's not likely it would change much, unfortunately; Israel would just continue with new backers and the US would be in a worse position.

Not that that justifies the war and all the weapon sales on the US' part, of course. But I think, with that information, it's easy to see why there's some nuance to it, and why the US isn't keen to sever ties or be too harsh a critic.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Russia comes to mind. They'd accept Israel if they could benefit from it. Also Bibi get to be a plain old dictator without worrying too much about response from western allies. In exchange Russia get access to lot of western tech.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Unlikely as Russia is heavily in bed with Iran.

Israel is a giant liability. It really doesn't do much except control news networks and bribe politicians.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

But Russia only got "to bed" with Iran recently when Iran agreed to supply them with drones.

Before Ukraine war, Russia didn't care about Iran or North Korea.

If Israel could supply Russia with more advanced drones / weapons, I assure you Russia would switch alliance in a blink of an eye

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 83 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Tomorrows headlines:

"Biden approves sale of 40 drones, 300 tanks, and 6.02x10^23 Tomahawks to Israel"

[–] Spacemanspliff@midwest.social 33 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nah he made sure to approve the sale earlier this week before he did this so he wouldn't look a hypocrite.

[–] HottieAutie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago

he nailed it 👌

[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Night Elf Molehawks

[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

If only we could be wrong about that.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago

Biden put conditions on Israel. Wish people would get good news sources.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Or else he'll demand again, after the next shipment of weapons to Israel

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Look at what Biden does, not what he says:

  • He just sent to Israel a shipment of 2000lb bombs, which raze entire quarters and are not used by the US itself because they're "too dangerous for civilians".

It's still doing the very same delay and dissemble talkie-talkie for the purposes of not losing the election he has been doing for 3 months.

I have no doubt his "warning" to Netanyahu came with a wink and a nod.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think Biden should stop funding Isreals genocide. Anything else is just lip service. Either shut up or do the right thing.

Lip service prolongs the discourse which is just another flub from the Biden campaign.

Sorry, Joe, I can't carry your ass over the finish line.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)
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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Turn up the pressure, Biden. Don't just give sweet words to Americans as you send bombs to Israel. You cannot have your genocide and a popular approval rating at the same time.

End the genocide. End support of Israel.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Suck it up and vote for us. Oh, offer representation? Get fucked asshole. Also if the democrats lose, it's all your fault for not voting with a big enough smile on your face.

Democrats chose genocide over their approval rating. They believe first past the post voting will keep them safe and sound. What are you gonna do about it? Vote republican?

With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted against the republicans even if their preference didn’t win.

Just search for videos on First Past the Post voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.

Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.

More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is represented by their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.

Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?

Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?

Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representation in government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.

We can do it right now.

Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago
[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Start sending sandwiches, not bombs.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sooo they ignored Bidens call for a ceasefire and they just opened a border crossing to let in still not enough food?

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Genocide enabler Biden wants Israel to pause the genocide until the election.

[–] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Americans speak a lot, and say nothing.

[–] scripthook@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

I voted for Biden and this whole situation pisses me off. You can't wait until 33k Palestinians are killed and innocent aid workers are killed to call for a cease fire but still arm Isreal. I'm now a Libertarian. Thanks Biden...