"The needs of the two outweigh the needs of the one. Slightly."
-Lesser known quote by Surak
this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2024
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Not every quote of Surak was a banger at first. He had to iterate.
Hey nobody can start right with their Drip period
Most women start getting those when they're around 12.
Janeway had a moral obligation to not let Tuvok be integrated with Nelix in any way. That's desecration and torture, both at the same time.
But it did happen accidentally, so she decided intentionally that "two wrongs make a right".
Janeway had a responsibility to restore her crew to their original status. Both Tuvok and Neelix were unharmed while integrated as Tuvix, therefore Tuvix remains unharmed while split back into the original individuals. If Tuvok and Neelix wished to recombine, they could both consent and do so.
First, I'll say I don't really have a strong opinion on this, but it does present some interesting arguments if you're interested in exploring them with me. I have not ego in these arguments.
Both Tuvok and Neelix were unharmed while integrated as Tuvix,
True.
therefore Tuvix remains unharmed while split back into the original individuals.
False.
The unique person, personality, and perspective of Tuvix is gone, and without a voice in that final frame.
Here's your logic restated:
A mother and father give birth to a unique child and were unharmed in the creation of the child.
Therefore when the child grows up and is later killed, the parents remain unharmed.
Janeway had a responsibility to restore her crew to their original status.
Following your logic Seven of Nine should be reinstated as drone on a Borg cube ....
If Tuvok and Neelix wished to recombine, they could both consent and do so.
...and when made a drone again in the Borg collective, she could be asked if she wanted to be freed from the Borg. How do you think she would have answered?
Your parent/child analogy doesn’t fit. Parents don’t physically combine to create a chimera. Parents don’t have to cease to exist so that a child can exist.
The Seven analogy also doesn’t fit, unless you’re suggesting that Tuvix is analogous to Annika+Borg, in which case Janeway was consistent: nonconsensual chimerism should be reversed.
Its been so long since I've seen the episode, but was there ever a consideration to "Tom Riker" Tuvix, and the perform the split on the original?
Transporter capabilities shift with the requirements of plot lines.
No O'Brien nearby to adjust transporter buffers and copy/paste while the pattern is full.
Official writers response.
I think because that involved a planet and a semi reflective atmosphere, it would be difficult for voyager to reproduce.
Although you'd think cloning would be relatively easy with the transporter and replicator technology, but there's probably some canon reason it's not.
I doubt replicated fruit has viable seeds. I suspect Gene Roddenberry wanted to reserve room in the universe for the idea of the soul, and the unknowable mysteries of metaphysics.
Justice for Tuvix!
... didn't Janeway herself administer some justice directly to Tuvixs neck?
I don't cheer for it but at the end of the day, I agree with Janeway's decision. And if eating plants isn't murder, killing Tuvix isn't either, since he was the result of an alien plant messing with Neelix and Tuvok's DNA while in the transporter. If anything, she merely did a little weeding in the garden that is her crew.
plants aren't sapient beings lol
I don't think I've ever seen a carrot express its feelings, admiration of colleagues, or crying and pleading not to be murdered
So you haven't seen the Tuvix episode? /s
What makes you think eating plants isn't murder though?
It totally is, which is why I stick to meat
Fucker was goofy.
If Tuvix looked normal, not the kinda ugly guy he was, people wouldn't cheer for his murder.