I don't know if this is the better place to post this, but this is something annoying me in the fediverse, especially using/following Lemmmy and Mastodon profiles/communities.

I also don't know if this is being working on or else, but would improve federation a lot, at least in my view...

The thing is how Lemmy posts appear in my Mastodon timeline, shouldn't they be better? The posts instead of links should be the images of the post, and the replies, under the replies in Mastodon. I don't know if this possible... but would be more organized.

I posted a picture of what I imagine... the current form you can find in this link here

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[–] freamon@endlesstalk.org 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's partly an issue of keys. Every fediverse actor has a private key and a public key. When my instance sends this to fediverse@lemmy.world, it's signed by my private key, and lemmy.world uses my public key to verify it. When fediverse@lemmy.world sends this comment out, it uses it's own private key to sign it. It can't just re-transmit my comment, because it doesn't have my private key. All it can do is Announce that I've made the comment (and sign the Announce).

Mastodon treats Announces as Boosts, so every post/comment is interpreted as a thing that fediverse@lemmy.world has boosted, so you get all these un-connected posts appearing. I think it's mostly up to Mastodon to remedy.

It works better if a Mastodon actor posts into a Lemmy community, then you get the mix like you imagine. e.g.: https://mastodon.world/@Flash/112095241193510662 (this particular post was crowbarred into Lemmy via !tails@lemmon.website, but it would be the same if the author had done it.)

[–] legamins@leminal.space 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for explaining it! This is a good answer! But do you think there's something that could solve this, or is impossible/unreallistic as the servers act with each other?

[–] freamon@endlesstalk.org 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's technically impossible - all the information that another site needs to properly interpret some activity is in the JSON that's sent. I get the sense that it might be unrealistic to expect Mastodon to make the necessary changes though. It seems more of a political issue than a technical one.

[–] legamins@leminal.space 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Do you think is unrealistic? Why do you think Mastodon has political issues to make the necessary changes?

[–] freamon@endlesstalk.org 3 points 7 months ago

Lemmy doesn't seem to get much recognition in the wider Fediverse - it tends to get bundled as part of 'other apps'. Mastodon is much bigger, so better integration with Lemmy probably gets deprioritised below their own issues and feature requests (e.g. I was reading today that Markdown support is often requested, but the base version still doesn't have it)

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I can't directly answer your question. I know very little about Mastodon, as I just recently made an account. However, from what I've seen with a variety of open-source projects, as well as the fediverse itself, it seems that group politics may often hamper the very projects "they" are trying to improve. I hope that people try to remain in the spirit of their projects, whatever they may be.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is 100% on Mastodon to fix.

[–] legamins@leminal.space 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, maybe it's on Mastodon way to fix it. That's why I will ask all instances of the fediverse to look at this. I want to fediverse to be better! :)

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Misskey forks tend to integrate better

[–] legamins@leminal.space 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know Misskey, but 'it' doesn't have many english instances I can join as in Mastodon. I know I'ts fediverse and all, but I feel confortable joining something more familiar.

[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 3 points 7 months ago

Preference is key, I was just suggesting this in case people want to give a try to a Mastodon alternative

[–] projectmoon@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I use a Misskey fork for micro blogging and I can't even get Lemmy posts to load. The profiles of communities do, but that's it.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I #me (i@myself) myself am happy #delighted (delirious@happy) to not have comments #posts (comments@posts) that look like someone crashed #accident (carcrash@death) their car while typing #fuckoffandjusttypeanormalsentence

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 months ago

I don’t really care about the hashtags, I want more content. And properly federating with the biggest fediverse service seems an easy and eventually necessary step anyway for Lemmy.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense Mastodon and Lemmy use two different "languages" for posts.

I'm just spitballing here, but what if some instances had SSO for both Mastodon and Lemmy so you could do both ways of communication.

[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

some instances had SSO for both Mastodon and Lemmy so you could do both ways of communication.

So Mbin?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or kbin, which can put microblog posts on the frontpage

[–] Xanvial@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Mbin is a fork of kbin, created after kbin source code seems to be abandoned. Checked the source repository the last commit is more than a month ago, and the creator seems inactive now.

For most things, mbin should have the same features as kbin, and most likely better

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 7 months ago

The creator is not inactive, but may as well be as they're quite busy.

Mbin is undergoing a UI filter rewrite, which is blocking it from receiving many great features such as unread comments being marked and a combined view of threads and microblog posts.

I'm currently alternating between this mbin instance and kbin.social.