Is Uttar Pradesh scummier than some of the other states, or do they just seem to get more articles? It seems like we are getting one of these horrifying stores a week.
this post was submitted on 04 Mar 2024
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It is by far the highest population state in India. More people = more scandals. But even when you try to account for that, there's still an aweful lot of scandals coming out of Uttar Pradesh.
And many of those scandals involve local police or rich locals who believe that laws are for other people, but getting international attention does land them into trouble. So what we're seeing is probably just the tip of the iceberg, but that's true in other places as well.
But even when you try to account for that, there's still an aweful lot of scandals Coming out of Uttar Pradesh.
This doesn't appear to be true. When you account for population Uttar Pradesh has fewer rapes (and crimes in general) than India as a whole.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_crime_rate
I was talking about stories involving rape that made it into international media and that I read about. Uttar Pradesh features frequently in those.
Anecdotal stories and statistics are 2 different things, but it's possible to infer some things from them. One important thing about statistics is that you should never accept them at face value (the same with anecdotal stories obviously), they are collected by humans after all.
Your wiki page is about crime, but there's also one about rape: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India
That page has statistics about "registered" rape cases. In the registered rape cases Uttar Pradesh ranks fairly low, which does not correlate with the amount of scandals that make it into international media. And since loads of those scandals seem to involve police, it's not a stretch to conclude that the number of registered cases is a vast underestimation of the real amount.
Reasons why it's likely lower: police refuse to register cases against specific persons or cases from specific people (Dalits), but far more will not be registered simply because the victims don't even try. There's the shame of it being known that you were raped, but there's also justified fear of retaliations afterwards, if the police wasn't directly involved in the rape in the first place.
The mismatch between the high amount of anecdotal stories and the low statistics also tells us that there's no improvement to be expected in the next few years. The first step to recovery, is accepting that you have a problem, and Uttar Pradesh is clearly not there yet.
Your wiki page is about crime, but there's also one about rape:
There was a rape statistics section in my link. I should've used an anchor tag so you could see it.
Reasons why it's likely lower: police refuse to register cases against specific persons or cases from specific people (Dalits), but far more will not be registered simply because the victims don't even try.
This doesn't explain why the number would be lower in Uttar Pradesh than the rest of India. In the absence of evidence there's no reason to believe that police corruption shouldn't happen in rural areas too.
I had seen that and I did not say that it didn't, but the page that was specifically about indian rape statistics instead of statistics on all crimes, contained additional information pertaining those rape statistics, including a section specifically about how wrong the Uttar Pradesh rape statistics are. All statistics are wrong, but some are simply more wrong than others.
I'm never going to India again, I'm sorry if I offend anyone from there, but it's the absolutely worst country I've ever been to. And I've been to some pretty bad countries.
Without reading the article, let me guess, they arrested the girl?
Wouldn't suprise me cause how dare she be a girl.
guys and girls and lizards please don't come to my country until it reaches 20K nominal GDP per capita
Yeah i think you might have some other problems as well
Some info points from my first Google hit https://www.dw.com/en/what-is-behind-indias-rape-problem/a-51739350
Experts say that a woman is raped in India every 16 minutes.
"Rape is a non-bailable offense in the Indian penal code," Anuja Trehan Kapur, a New Delhi-based criminal psychologist and advocate, told DW. Kapur has assisted government officials on high-profile criminal cases, including the 2012 gang rape.
"But people do get bail because of a lack of evidence [in many cases]. The accused are often sheltered by police, or politicians, or even lawyers," Kapur added.
We have a patriarchal society in India, which gives more importance to men. Women are usually considered second-class citizens,"
in my state alone 60,000 are registered every year
Experts say that a woman is raped in India every 16 minutes.
On the one hand, there's a lot of people in India.
On the other hand... Yikes.
Honestly, that's shockingly low, like I don't believe it at all low. Like, as grim as it sounds, I wish that were the true count.
Rape statistics are notoriously difficult to track because they require reporting and documentation, which often doesn't happen for a variety of reasons, and additionally legal definitions vary globally. However, as a point of reference, in the US a sexual assault occurs almost every minute.
The US isn't the greatest place for women by any stretch of the imagination, BUT, when you consider the cultural differences combined with having 4x the population, I'm shocked to see ~1/16 the total volume of assaults.
Not to reduce the impact sexual assault has every time it occurs, but I'm assuming that USA number isn't cited as rape for a reason, especially since the source does use the word rape further down. Perhaps that explains the disparity?
There's a ton more to it than that, for example:
Martial rape is not considered a crime in India
Rape is legally considered exclusively an act done by a man to a woman, therefore counts exclude raped committed against men
Finally due to stigma in the country and the judicial system often trying to shelter men who commit assault, cases go under-reported and under-prosecuted, lessening the count.
Yeah, that kind of sounds like my point. The us number is inflated by all the groping and flashing or whatever, and the India number is heavily deflated by only counting what gets reported and recorded as rape.
Damn I thought I was safe.
And the other one had money or influence? Or why did he get away?
In the article, it says they haven't tracked him down yet.