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[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 161 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Christina Elson, the executive director of the Center for the Study of Capitalism at Wake Forest University, told Business Insider that many young people had embraced an idea she calls "safety capitalism."

Ah yes, the executive director for the center for the study of capitalism says young folks want capitalism.

Come the fuck on.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 4 points 8 months ago

Oh yeah. That sounds like exactly the person who would come up with a stupid fucking buzzword to get an article written they can use to show they understand capitalism extra well.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 144 points 8 months ago (51 children)

No they don’t. They want socialism. Or democratic socialism.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The fuck is safety capitalism? Is it just some bullshit word for people who don't want to say socialism? Fuck, if that's what it takes for people to accept socialism then they can call it whatever the fuck they want.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Social democracy isn't sexy enough of a word I suppose. It would be capitalism but with a safety net

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Or just basic equality ... more specifically WEALTH EQUALITY

to remove the power of the wealthy to get even more wealthy by exploiting everyone faster

And to give more power to those with little or no money and give them a chance to gain a bit of wealth.

Honestly if we just created a civilization where we spread the money around a little more equally, we'd have less psychopaths controlling the world and more people wanting to cooperate in making things better.

It wouldn't create a utopia because we're too complicated to be happy with one another but it would make our situation more tolerable and manageable.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago

So, socialism.

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[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 78 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"You hear about 'billionaires should be outlawed' — that really isn't the issue," Elson previously told BI regarding Gen Zers' concerns. "The issue is the bottom. What is the appropriate bottom living standard for an American citizen, and what role should the government have in ensuring that people don't fall below that?"

Yes, this sad situation over here has absolutely nothing to do with sociopathic pursuit of a high score in our totally unflawed economic system.

What is the appropriate bottom living standard for an American citizen, and what role should the government have in ensuring that people don't fall below that?"

Wow. She really said those words. Like with a straight face.

Absolutely knew she was going to get quoted and then said these words.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

They could not possibly have more regressive framing - gross. What a sad attempt at sleight of hand.

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 63 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The lack of safety net is a feature of late-stage capitalism, not a flaw.

[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It was also a feature of early stage capitalism. But instead of analysing features, it's better to orginize and fight for political change

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, but my point is their view isn't big enough, it's the entire system that facilitates this to be the case. We need political change on a foundational level, like getting rid of 2 senators per state and the electoral college.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you in principle, but honestly, if we can get countries like the U.S. in the same position as Scandinavia in terms of a social safety net, that would be such a vast improvement over the status quo and it would be far easier to achieve.

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[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Lol "safety capitalism" the editors wouldn't even let them say socialist. Just the state of the world in 2024 -fight harder, people. I personally can't handle what this shit does to my blood pressure anymore

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[–] tanja@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (30 children)

Ain't no one getting excited about any kind of capitalism any more 🤮🤢

[–] RotatingParts@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Except those that profit by it ... and that group will shrink as the middle class is torn apart.

[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The middle class is gone friend. For 99% of America two educated working full-time adults don't earn the same purchasing power as one of their grandfather's.

Anyone who insists that there's a middle class is delusional

Any home owner is delusional if they think their home ownership would survive a single cancer diagnosis.

The system is designed to ensure that you'll lose everything by the end, no matter what. The only peaceful resistance we have left is to refuse to breed, denying them more chattal.

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[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

You made me look! It looks like the younger demographics (under 30) were about evenly split on favorable/disfavorable views of both capitalism and socialism in 2022. Pew Research Link

It skews more toward capitalism for each older age bracket, which makes intuitive sense. Regardless, some interesting stats in there.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I dunno. I like the one where the workers vote for who the boss at the factory is and then they all take home a share of the profits.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Workers rights were earned in blood. Not a lot of people know that.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 7 points 8 months ago
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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

safety capitalism has to be the most absurd stand in for socialism or welfare I've ever heard lmao

Really reaching new levels of copium

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Who the hell cares, so long as it leads to some fundamental changes

If it is adopted we can refer to it as babby's first socialism, right before the c-suites are rightfully purged and execs replaced with the workers on the floor

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

those other words have been coopted by the right so i get it

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The latest iteration of the same "younger people more left wing" article newspapers have been writing for 60 years.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 34 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Except that that is slowly no longer being the case.

Millennials where promised we get more conservative over time and for many the opposite appears true. Even gen x is in many ways already more left wing then the boomers.

To me it appears as the boomer generation was fed so much propaganda after the war it became ingrained in society, it took a few generations to finally get it out our system but it is starting to happen. The kids will be alright.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago

The old will be dragged kicking and screaming into progress, as usual.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I’ve thought a lot about it these past several years and I agree with you. Boomers were so propandized before there were any protections that they had no choice but to be narcissistic and materialistic.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 28 points 8 months ago

This already has a name: a welfare state or socialism. No need to pull made up terms out of your ass.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Who comes up with these words? Boomers inventing their own propaganda

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 27 points 8 months ago

I'm fully on board with calling it "safety capitalism" or even "jesus reckoning savior economics" if i get what I want. at this point most of America just tunes out "socialism"

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 15 points 8 months ago

current social safety net is broken

To shreds, you say?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

This is the stupidest article I've ever read.

[–] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

My brain says this is related to Safety Dance, and I don't dance.

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