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[–] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 117 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Ya know what stops piracy? A better service than what piracy provides.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

It's funny how we see totally different effects there in regards to music, as all apps have almost all of the music. Spotify e.g. is so popular here that noone streams or downloads music illegally anymore. And you only need Spotify.

The solution is simple. Cave to the labels in power and be ruthless to anyone else. This way you can have the whole catalogue of music in your app while surviving economically. Until.. the enshitification becomes too strong again and we'll have a piracy revival. And then a new service pops up again, etc..

The circle of life of pop culture under capitalism.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The really stunning thing about music piracy was it was incredibly easy to do, and your entire catalogue could very easily be taken with you in your pocket and to new devices.

It’s a miracle we all decided streaming was worth it, they really did make it a better experience than pirating.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I have yet to listen to all the music on my SD card in my phone. I will get around to it eventually.

After that I will test out Spotify.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago

I mean now you don't even need your device anymore, the data is available from everyone's device.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Can you imagine if you needed to subscribe to a different service just to listen to a single band? Hell right you'd be back on the high seas.

[–] DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I really enjoyed "The Strike" when I discovered them on Spotify, but all of a sudden I noticed all their best songs were gone from my playlists and I found out they made specific albums/songs exclusive to their Bandcamp/physical copies, so I bought them off Band Camp.

I've always been kinda mixed on that move like, they clearly know which of their songs people really wanted, and decided to paywall them outside of a service I already pay for, which feels bad in principle. But at the same time, I like their music and I agree with them getting paid what they think they're worth.

I hove no clear cut thoughts or conclusions, but I can totally imagine different bands/artists trying to find the monetization strategy and platform that works for them and leading to bad experiences for consumers.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think artists shouldn't primarily see Spotify etc as a source for monetization, but a way to market their music. Like putting it on YouTube. Most money comes from tours and merch anyways.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

And that's where Netflix etc went wrong. They still think it's optional to offer the whole catalogue, but long-term it's the only way these services can survive. Either via this or account sharing.

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[–] ardi60@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

nah local files with mp3s and sync it with preferred cloud services is the best

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Except when the ID3 tags get all messed up and you spend a whole Saturday afternoon fixing your entire library. Granted that's how I taught myself how to program, so it's a win/win I guess.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

I support piracy because it's educational. We need to invest in the future of technology by encouraging people to pirate. To that end, I propose more anti piracy ads.

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[–] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Plus I can integrate Tidal with my local collection as if I had downloaded it and combine it all on any device wherever I am with Plexamp

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

They had it. They decided three yachts aren't enough.

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 69 points 8 months ago (6 children)

"you wouldn't download a car"

Fuck you yes I would. Invents 3d printing

It's like the anti piracy messages are just advertising for piracy

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 11 points 8 months ago

how else im supposed to play some arbitrary game with cars from a digital game copy?

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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, they could simply provide all content, in one convenient place, for a reasonable price, and on release.

[–] lookorex@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's asking quite a lot...

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 30 points 8 months ago (3 children)

That’s asking for early Netflix back

[–] Boingboing@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Early Netflix was great. I stopped pirating. I guess it has been a good 10 years but it's back to the high seas now.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago

Having access to every Star Trek ever was great, but Netflix's recommendation algorithm was top notch. It gave me things I would never have sought out but loved anyway.

But since Netflix started just pushing their own shit, regardless of whether I'd like it or whether I'd already watched it or whether it was literally cancelled by Netflix it's enshittified to the point I don't know why I still pay for it.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

As somebody who has been using Netflix since before they even had streaming as an option, I think a lot of people really over-inflate how good the offering was in the early years of their streaming unless you just loved watching reruns of cable television from the 90s and 2000s.

Make no mistake, the offering now is worse. But it’s not like it was truly a central, low priced hub for everything you wanted to watch.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't just the content, it was the delivery of watching whatever you chose whenever you chose and wherever you chose for a reasonable monthly fee. Even without a massive catalogue it was 1000 times better than cable and the existing services that charged stupidly high fees for on demand temporary access.

It did have a lot of movies in addition to the series though, even if I had seen most of them because they started with the popular ones.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, what I miss most about early Netflix was the insane library they had of documentaries

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Good documentaries from quality sources too, like Planet Earth!

Not the sensationalist garbage they put out under their brand now.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

Or Amazon putting out that dogshit Jim Caviezel right wing trash

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah I guess I’m overstating my case a bit. But still, when it was the place for legal streaming the piracy numbers were at an all time low. Turns out people don’t mind paying a fair sum for good availability and convenience.

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[–] thebuoyancyofcitrus@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But would it disappear someday without warning? I'm not one to do a lot of pirating but the times I'm most tempted to take up the habit are when things that were supposed to be "purchased" just disappear and there's nothing customers can do about it...or when I see some crazy anti-pirating argument. The urge to do it out of spite is real.

[–] apis@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Depends whether or not they hide some code to give them the option to remote disable your files after you've downloaded them, and if they to restrict your ability to create backup copies & play your files on devices you own.

There's no reason why they couldn't make stuff available in ways which buyers could feel confident in.

[–] thebuoyancyofcitrus@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've definitely appreciated when certain cool, open minded creators have released content DRM free but they are going against the grain of the big money platforms. But, I agree, like many things that would make the world a little cooler, there's no concrete reason it couldn't be done.

[–] apis@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago

Likely going to have to be forced on the industry, by some mix of piracy, legislation, reality & artists' choices.

Meantime, convenience has considerable sway. For the generations for whom music was expensive & awkward to acquire (& who have the most disposable income now to spend on music as well as the most faith in companies), this still seems easier than pushing back.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 20 points 8 months ago

Who would have thought people don't like being threatened?

[–] Pohl@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I imagine for a lot of people an anti piracy campaign simply serves to alert them that piracy is possible and apparently so common and easy that everybody else must be doing it. They probably walk away curious about learning a new hobby more than fearing the consequences.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 8 months ago

I like to call it the D.A.R.E. Effect.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

As a man, I support this message.

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 10 points 8 months ago

The only logical conclusion.. a pro piracy message. Yarrrrrr

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago

when buying isn't owning, downloading isn't theft

[–] erie09@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Now I'm gonna piracy even harder

[–] xep@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's strange that we've put so much work into DRM and yet piracy persists. Surely by now the technology would've eliminated pirates. Almost as if...

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

...they need better DRM / more anti-piracy laws / more digital thugs to canvas the internet looking for pirates ...? /s

It's funny how quickly stupid 17 year old me back in the 80s figured out that it was all just a pointless arms race and piracy would never subside until games got affordable. I always told myself I would go legit once I could afford it and I did. That was games. Same principles apply.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

This is us v them issue...

If these clowns think I will pay for some shiti teevee while having to pay rent and food when i can get teeveet for free... they are about to find out what discretionary spending means and there is nothing they can do about it.

If they thought shiti PR would change that, these people really dumber than we thought.

[–] octoblade@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 8 months ago

The best part is that pirates don't need to sit through the bullshit anti piracy messages

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