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He also said that the danger posed by another Trump term doesn’t excuse Biden from scrutiny but “actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.”

To leftists and progressives fed up with Biden, particularly his commitment to Israel as it continues to bomb civilians in Gaza, the assessment was not just fair — it was obvious. But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended “Blue Wave” and “Resistance” labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 199 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Which "liberals?" I thought it was funny. I guess I'm not "liberal" enough? I'm voting for Biden because I'll do anything to stop Trump, but I'm not going to pretend he shouldn't be mocked.

[–] OmnislashIsACloudApp@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

yeah I enjoyed it too, a couple of different friends mentioned it being funny I don't know anyone that was upset about it.

probably just another article about some random vocal minority complaining

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I thought it was funny too, but man is it uncomfortable knowing that it could sway people away from voting for Biden and swing the scales in favor of Trump.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He was just as hard if not harder on Trump in the same segment, so I don't think it would.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago

It won't, it was honest and painted Trump in a worse (and deservedly awful) light. The apologists that call the sky yellow when you can see it's fucking blue cause much more damage by eroding public trust in the democrats.

I prefer flawed candidates that overcome their flaws so that, hopefully, we can find a less flawed candidate next time.

[–] Eggyhead@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If Jon’s audience somehow got swayed into voting FOR Trump over some criticisms on Biden, they were never listening in the first place.

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[–] joekar1990@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Probably saw 2 people on twitter and then they just expanded and said all liberals?

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[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The ones on Twitter that are sourced in the article. This is a non story.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 135 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Too fucking bad. They're accurate and we need to accept them to avoid making the same mistake in the future.

Biden is an absolutely awful candidate, especially if his running mate is Kamala Harris - but if it's him vs. Trump I'll vote for him any day.

Democrats need to stop picking the most deeply flawed candidates they can find - Hillary Clinton being such an awful candidate is how we got Trump in the first place.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 60 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I think people forget that the Democrats literally chose Hillary instead of Sanders - like, the Democratic Party purposefully chose Hillary despite the fact Bernie was actually more popular amongst people.

Not gonna start saying why because there’s probably a myriad of reasons, but the fact that the Democratic party had a chance to put in somebody who was at least saying really progressive stuff for the people of America that the people really liked and just chose a fucking Clinton instead should say something about the party.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

I think people forget that the Democrats literally chose Hillary instead of Sanders - like, the Democratic Party purposefully chose Hillary despite the fact Bernie was actually more popular amongst people.

Tell me you don't remember 2016 without telling me you don't remember 2016.

Signed, a 2016 and 2020 Bernie voter.

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[–] spider@lemmy.nz 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hillary Clinton being such an awful candidate is how we got Trump in the first place.

speaking of which...

How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately "elevated" Donald Trump with its "pied piper" strategy

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just read that article and that's literally why I never wanted that stupid goddamn monster in the race. It wasn't her fucking turn and she created so much of this mess....it was her goddamn ambition that created and fostered that orange goddamn abomination so she could get her place and turn. Fuck her.... Sanders should have been nominated but her bullshit super delegates ruined the country by assuming we're morons.

Turns out the country is significantly dumber than anyone considered unfortunately...

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[–] fedroxx@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (25 children)

I'd never vote for Biden. But I'll vote against Trump any chance I get.

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[–] GoddessOfGouda@lemmy.world 112 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Neolibs might be crying but literally everyone else is laughing

…. Most of whom will still be voting for him. Extremely accurate criticisms aside.

[–] books@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right. I laughed my ass off, because it's fucking true.

We've got two old as shit dudes, both with shit memories, running for president.

Sure one is the better option, but neither are great options... And imagine them in four more years

Yikes.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Right. As I keep saying, I'll be voting for the forgetful doddering old grandpa that isn't a treasonous rapist who says he'll be a dictator.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 24 points 10 months ago

Yeah, addressing it directly and with humor is exactly the way to tackle the issue. All the liberals frantically trying to gaslight about an 81 year old's memory just look like they're in a cult, which will actually drive voters away.

He's old, probably too old, but Trump is not only worse in general, but demonstrably worse on that very issue. It sucks that our choice is which declining man should be the leader of the free world, but that's the question we're faced with.

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[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 85 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We've seen what happens when a party refuses to scrutinize their own candidate. Learn that lesson part.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I'm pretty fuckin liberal and i thought it was more than due. Biden is far more competent than Trump when he's feeling well but you can see the slips and very sudden demeanor changes coupled with what looks like instant onset exhaustion. He just crashes sometimes.

I was however a little annoyed that after almost no Israel discussion that whoever from the Economist looked directly at the camera and said Joe Biden was like the best person to have in office when it comes to Israel. The best? We could think of no one else?

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 67 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Good? Jon Stewart always took no prisoners. If you're offended now then you weren't paying attention before.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

I don’t understand what people were thinking when Stewart came back? I mean he was always merciless to anyone’s failings regardless of party, it’s just that the republicans provided so much more fodder for him vs the Dems who at least on the surface went in with good intentions most of the time. It was usually him attacking the Dems for their failures in meeting their own standards vs attacking the republicans for having no standards at all.

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[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who wasn't laughing? It was hilarious. Jon Stewart's points were spot on all around.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Who wasn't laughing?

People who require uncritical support of their candidate.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He was right on all points.

But people obviously missed the point he made about the choice is still between a old Biden or old lunatic. So it's not some 50/50 both sides bullshit

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[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (15 children)

Yes, betrayal - because the US devolved so much into tribalism, that any critique of "their own", no matter if justified or not, is a betrayal and taboo.

You see, our side can do no wrong and is perfect. It's their side that's wrong, always. We're the good guys, and they're the bad guys - how could Jon betray the only side that's good, noble and completely faultless? That clearly means he's with them and not with us, because nuance is a foreign loan word that we don't need, and everything is black and white!

Fucking sad and depressing - glad I get to look at it from the outside, but still...

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not American but I can see why the left going after Biden now is not a good idea. It's just gonna lead to a Trump win. I hate Biden, the guy has blood on his hands from his constant support of the drug war. But you should have thought of that before. Either back him now, and get a better candidate going. Or go after Biden now and lose to Trump. And then you'll get nothing done.

Biden should never have been the Democrats pick, Clinton either, but it's too late for all that now.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago (7 children)

what happened to "it's ok if bernie doesn't win you just gotta vote for biden and push him left when he's in office" because this is not that.

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[–] pastabatman@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We're in a weird spot. On the one hand, legitimate criticisms should always be welcome especially when directed at our elected officials. In a healthy democracy we would vote out people who disappoint or underperform. On the other hand, we don't have a healthy democracy and one side is determined to vote for a man with the most extensive list of abhorrent behavior ever documented in the nation's history. Criticizing Biden just makes it more likely that a super close race will go to Trump, who is unquestionably worse than Biden.

Part of me wants to say "let's get the Trump threat behind us and THEN we can work on building a healthier democracy," but that isn't how a healthy democracy works! If we compromise on our values to get rid of someone we disagree with, are we the baddies? It's a frustrating and scary place to be.

[–] meyotch 33 points 10 months ago

“The ends justify the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have are means.”

U.K. LeGuin

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (3 children)

ONE-TIME FANS WHO perhaps remember comedian Jon Stewart only taking satirical swipes at conservatives while host of The Daily Show

Not a good look for an article to start with such a hot take. Anyone who thought Stewart never took aim at Democrats couldn't have been a fan because they must have never watched his fucking show.

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[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 37 points 10 months ago

If you're unable to secure a better candidate, you'd better laugh.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

If you didn't laugh at Stewart's criticism, you're no better than a Bill Maher or new york times liberal.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Who cares? Like me, personally, I think too much is being made of the age thing for Biden (and not enough for Trump) but Jon Stewart is not some party spokesman. If he wants to go Enlightened Centrist "BOTH SIDES are too old!" for comedy he can. His job is the comedy, not the election.

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's also just correct. Just because Trump is such a scum human doesn't make Biden's three star rating into a five star. It just means three stars is better than this opponent's zero.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And it’s not like the entire show was about Biden age. Jon Stewart does have a clear preference and does find reason so skewer one side of the political spectrum more than the other but we shouldn’t expect nor even want blind allegiance

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[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Of course they're upset, this is post-Trump America after all! You're not allowed to criticize both sides equally! You HAVE TO pick a side and support them fully no matter what bullshit spews out of their mouths! It's a law now! The whole thing falls apart if we're not all running around screaming for blood like a bunch of lunatics!

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

That episode was scathing and I love it.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 10 months ago

The show was really funny. This post was a good excuse to watch the monologue again. Looking forward to next Monday's show.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Guess I'm not a liberal. The man is genius.

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