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He also said that the danger posed by another Trump term doesn’t excuse Biden from scrutiny but “actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.”

To leftists and progressives fed up with Biden, particularly his commitment to Israel as it continues to bomb civilians in Gaza, the assessment was not just fair — it was obvious. But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended “Blue Wave” and “Resistance” labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 135 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Too fucking bad. They're accurate and we need to accept them to avoid making the same mistake in the future.

Biden is an absolutely awful candidate, especially if his running mate is Kamala Harris - but if it's him vs. Trump I'll vote for him any day.

Democrats need to stop picking the most deeply flawed candidates they can find - Hillary Clinton being such an awful candidate is how we got Trump in the first place.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 60 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I think people forget that the Democrats literally chose Hillary instead of Sanders - like, the Democratic Party purposefully chose Hillary despite the fact Bernie was actually more popular amongst people.

Not gonna start saying why because there’s probably a myriad of reasons, but the fact that the Democratic party had a chance to put in somebody who was at least saying really progressive stuff for the people of America that the people really liked and just chose a fucking Clinton instead should say something about the party.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

I think people forget that the Democrats literally chose Hillary instead of Sanders - like, the Democratic Party purposefully chose Hillary despite the fact Bernie was actually more popular amongst people.

Tell me you don't remember 2016 without telling me you don't remember 2016.

Signed, a 2016 and 2020 Bernie voter.

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure they mean the DNC, not the voters.

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[–] docAvid@midwest.social 5 points 10 months ago

There is no more reason in morally characterizing a political party than in morally characterizing a corporation. A party is a tool, a lever of political power. Look at how Trump has taken over the Republican party. They were terrible before, but he made them worse. The Democratic party used to be the party of slavery; then it was the party of FDR and a coalition driven by socialists; now it is the party of capital and neoliberalism, but still the one most capable of being taken back by the left. Organize, communicate, educate, and never give up. Control of the Democratic party can change hands again.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think people forget that the Democrats literally chose Hillary instead of Sanders - like, the Democratic Party purposefully chose Hillary despite the fact Bernie was actually more popular amongst people.

Got a minute (literally a minute)?

Lawrence O'Donnell and William Greider describe the calculations of the Democratic party in "An Unreasonable Man"

Edit: Voting blue no matter who is what keeps us stuck in an endless loop of presidential election cycles with candidates most people don't want. Some people don't get that, and probably never will.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hillary Clinton being such an awful candidate is how we got Trump in the first place.

speaking of which...

How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately "elevated" Donald Trump with its "pied piper" strategy

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just read that article and that's literally why I never wanted that stupid goddamn monster in the race. It wasn't her fucking turn and she created so much of this mess....it was her goddamn ambition that created and fostered that orange goddamn abomination so she could get her place and turn. Fuck her.... Sanders should have been nominated but her bullshit super delegates ruined the country by assuming we're morons.

Turns out the country is significantly dumber than anyone considered unfortunately...

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Whoever leaked those e-mails performed a valuable public service. Unfortunately, they were demonized for it.

[–] fedroxx@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (25 children)

I'd never vote for Biden. But I'll vote against Trump any chance I get.

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He isn't a HORRIBLE choice. He has a good chance of beating Trump and hasnt done a lot of bad things during his time. I would like someone younger and more progressive, but both sides edge towards the center.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He had a surprisingly productive term but he's clearly showing his age and should be stepping back as he promised during the last election. I love the shit out of Bernie Sanders but at this point he's too old to hold an office like president... this is a hard job and both the candidates in this cycle are clearly not as sharp as they once were.

[–] Soulg@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

His term has been wildly productive and done more good than any president in my lifetime.

But he's also taking the exact wrong stance on Israel right now, combined with the typical democrats being fucking garbage at messaging, and the media helping Trump every step of the way.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

I disagree with Biden about Israel, but it's genuinely a hard decision. He thinks it's more important for the US to be seen aiding an ally who suffered a sneak attack. Disagree with him about it, hate him for it, but he has a very good point.

Contrast that with Donnie's declaration that he'd let Russia attack Europe.

We should have been harsher on Israel for the apartheid government starting decades ago. Many presidents and many congresses are to blame for that failure.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

“I sat it out when asked, It’s my turn now”

Unfortunately it’s not exclusive to one party, (un?)fortunately the election cycles hasn’t made us pick the winner of the “Nth Generation Political Hack” bracket yet

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

Biden's been a great president. I talk to young Democrats who dislike him. They don't know anything about his accomplishments. Judging him in that fashion isn't even on their radar. They are expressing a vibe they get from those around them.

Biden's a hero. He beat Donnie and he made the win stick after the election. That was harder than he made it look. If the president of the US is staging a coup he's got a lot of strings he can pull, and even a dumb guy like Donnie understands that much.

And Harris, the young men dislike her and they don't know anything about her. Anything. They've never even heard her talk. It feels suspiciously like attitudes towards Hilary Clinton, except at least people had seen Clinton in action.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Biden has been a great President and really seems true to what he said he would do. My biggest complaint is also Harris - as in Biden said he would be the centrist attempting to bring things together (and he tried harder than I would have) but the goal has to be to help establish a new generation of leadership, including actual liberals and progressives. Yeah, it not all on him but I don’t see how any have stood out. Harris had the home court advantage but why aren’t we seeing her as the presumptive heir?