Given that Russian doctrine is all about disinformation and deflection, is he actually worth listening to until there is something on the table?
this post was submitted on 14 Feb 2024
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I mean, Oncophage has been on the table for 16 years, I think it it was the world's first oncovaccine.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1098972/000117184311003742/newsrelease.htm
It's a good stance to take with all "scientific breakthrough" articles. Poopsci is notorious for overhyping and just flat out misrepresentation. It's where the notorious "10 more years until fusion" meme came from. The actual engineers working on the project weren't the ones saying that.
There is never going to be a "cancer vaccine". Cancer isn't a single disease, it is more like a whole category. It is like claiming you are going to develop a vaccine against any and all respiratory diseases or against all kinds of heart problems.
Cuba has vaccines for different cancers already
Google "mRNA cancer research"
We're much closer to a preventative measure than you realize.
I never said that there won't be any vaccine against individual cancers, just not one vaccine against the whole category. Anyone having an actual vaccine for one of those ready to be released soon would specify details while the general term "cancer vaccine" makes a much better propaganda term because the kind of people who fall for blatant propaganda need it to be simplistic.
It's plural in the story
Yes, but it is also not going to be a whole set of vaccines against all kinds of cancers developed in secret and finished and released at the exact same time. That just doesn't make sense for a real set of vaccines, just for one that is invented for propaganda purposes.
The article says "for individual therapy", so Russia is likely working on the same personalized "vaccines" that other researchers have been working on for quite some time - ones that utilize the individual patient's immune system to attack the specific cancer. Not something that everyone would go out and get immunized against. This isn't mind-blowing, but if you were Putin wouldn't you want to put it some positive news right now too?
That's not the way science is done. The researchers need input before they submit for publication as well, and they need to publicise the trial to recruit participants.
Also to drum up funding. Lotta vaccine research labs do outreach to keep people informed/hyped up about their research which brings in donor money and grants.
That too, to develop anything actually usable with a confidence that it works you would need fairly large trials.
I think you misread the story. It says
"we have come very close to the creation of so-called cancer vaccines and immunomodulatory drugs of a new generation. I hope that soon they will be effectively used as methods of individual therapy"
I think you misread it as "we will create comprehensive, all-purpose oncovaccines", when in fact it just says "we will create oncovaccines", which is pretty likely given that it's 2024 now. To use your analogy, it's like saying they're close to creating some vaccines for some respiratory viruses, which is plausible.
I don't get why you say, "any and all... all kinds of cancers developed in secret and finished and released at the exact same time." There is nothing like that in the story – besides which, it just doesn’t make sense for a real set of vaccines.
I also don't understand why you said they'd be "developed in secret", as there's no reason to think that and it doesn't make sense.
Putin says a lot of crazy shit
Cancer vaccines are already a thing lmao it's not that unusual
For Russia? IDK, seems a little unusual, they're not exactly on the cutting edge of medicine. Also, any claim Putin makes should probably be treated with extreme skepticism.
Cuba has head them for atleast a decade, I think more then that
Isn't Cuba kinda famous for being on the cutting edge of medicine (at least in some regards) despite stuff like embargoes?
I wonder if mRNA vaccine treatment for cancer is what they are referencing.
From what I was able to understand (and maybe somebody can correct anything I've gotten wrong), the "vaccine" is tailored on a per-individual basis to target key protein markers of a petients particular cancer. This allows the body to identify and start to attack the cancer where previously the immune system would not be able to tell the difference between healthy and cancerous cells.
Ref: https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2022/mrna-vaccines-to-treat-cancer
does it involve falling out of a window
Suuuuure.
Created exclusively for and at the direction of someone who has cancer maybe?
"We're close, we promise, we don't want to fall out a window."
Cool
Cool
story, bro
Is a cancer vaccine even possible as a concept? Would it even be classified as a vaccine since cancer isn't a virus?
Obviously creating preventative measures for cancer would be amazing but I figured that wasn't even a subject we were broaching since treating it is hard enough
Cuba has had a lung cancer vaccine now for about a decade. The US is also testing mRNA cancer vaccines currently.
Would it even be classified as a vaccine since cancer isn’t a virus?
Increasingly everything injected gets called that in popular media, it seems.
The article says he didn't specify what kinds of cancer he's talking about, or any exact timeline. You might be able to prevent a cancer, but all cancers seems pretty impossible, short of hypothetical nanobots that turn you into a disease-immune superhuman.
It's totally possible and it already exists. You train your immune system (that's the complicated part, you have to feed it some part of cancer cells and make it understan that's the bad guys. Which is very complicated) to fight the cancerous cells.
Let's not firget there are around 300 families of cancer and there isn't any vaccine against all of them obviously.
That said, from russia it is obvious bs.
Great, I expect we'll see that any day now. /s
Given that there are several cancer vaccines currently in human trials, this is not surprising. Most are based in mRNA technology, like the COVID-19 vaccine. Basically, researchers identify the marker proteins of a specific cancer, then create an mRNA vaccine that sensitizes the immune system. Then the immune system attacks cells with that marker. Other advances are methods to take down the "shield" that cancer cells have that hides them from the immune system.
If a country chooses to ignore patents, they can copy the methods and produce their own vaccines with significantly less investment.
lmfao