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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 63 points 7 months ago

Another ship successfully converted to submarine! Great victory for Mother Russia!

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 59 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I wonder if Taiwan is looking into these boat-drones considering their successes. Could be extremely useful in keeping any Chinese ships from ever landing.

[–] Skua@kbin.social 64 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Every single military in the world will be watching the usage of all sorts of drones in this conflict. Even if you're America or China you need to learn how to defeat them cost-effectively

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The US just cancelled a major helicopter project because drones do the job cheaper

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dunno why you were downvoted, you're absolutely correct and I linked to it up above before I saw your comment.

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago

I'm pretty opinionated, and some of them aren't popular. I'm fairly certain I get a few accounts down voting everything I put out there.
Good news, is that I see evidence from other instances, but not a lot on my home.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Drones are becoming a huge game changer.

Even simple unarmed $300 drones with an IR camera are proving to be extremely effective. The level of live battlefield information and situational awareness they are bringing to commanders on the ground is at least equivalent to what a platoon of recon troops can offer.

Next up are the drones capable of carrying light loads like air dropped grenades or explosives than can take our expensive vehicles like aircraft. The return on investment for these systems are insane.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Drones are becoming a huge game changer.

The US Army literally just cancelled its FARA Helicopter program because of drones.

"“We are learning from the battlefield – especially Ukraine – that aerial reconnaissance has fundamentally changed,” Army Chief of Staff General Randy George said in a press release."

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The US does not like attack helis or something. The Comanche was a cool looking heli that was cancelled back in the day.

To this day we're still operating Apaches, a design first built in 1975.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But attack helis just seem so fragile. They're relatively easy targets and don't add all that much extra. Transport heli's are way more useful. Hell, even in civilization games heli's are weak.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

Well, 8 movement points ignoring terrain allow for a lot of pillaging...

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Because we don't need multiple versions of helicopters to do the same thing. Most of our recent Apache use is against people using AKs and RPGs then running into caves - ironically enough, probably the same level as its main use-case in 1975.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

For few hundred $ you get capability that formerly was only provided by ATGMs, and it's several times lighter as well, not to mention increased situational awareness. Every military worth their salt will have to study it and countermeasures

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago

This is outrageous! It’s unfair!

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

The drone wars have begun

If any one single sentence ever needed to be Yodafied, it would be this one.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

for comparison Stugna-P costs $20k per missile, entire system is 100kg but in return it gets to target much faster and has enough penetration to drill through frontal armour of most tanks, basically guaranteeing mission kill in single hit. drones get to the target in minutes, not seconds and have to find weak spots, but greater maneuverability allows for this

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think drones overwhelming advantage is the range and terrain they are effective in. The ability to find and destroy a target that is moving behind cover is a huge advantage.

How many videos have we seen of assaults moving up behind a tree line for cover. Artillery can stop these but hitting a moving target from miles away takes a lot of shells. Air support can take them out but they are vulnerable on today's battlefield. Weapons like the Stugna-P require line-of-sight on the ground so they have to let them get closer.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

Artillery can get quite effective if you have something like BONUS or Smart155 that will find and kill vehicles for you

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

Especially considering war is always a battle between offence and defence and we’ve been in a defence stage for so long with modern armoured vehicles.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

boat-drones are just manually guided torpedos with extra steps

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Actually fewer steps. You don't need an entire ship or submarine.

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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago

Ukraines artificial reef program is coming along nicely

[–] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 months ago

You love to see it, Slavi Ukraini!

[–] avater@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

♫ Under the sea, under the sea ♫

♫ Darling, it's better down where it's wetter ♫

♫ Take it from me ♫

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

A future new reef for Sebastian 🦀

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who's for the black sea fleet chart with the Xs on it?

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 40 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Far left, second from the bottom was the new addition

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

This is actually kind of cool to see, comparing it to the fleet in general.

[–] runeko@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What does the circle indicate?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] runeko@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

Oooooooh, thanks.

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Damaged but not sunk if I'm not mistaken.

[–] runeko@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

Thanks for real

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago
[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Thank you kindly for doing the Lord's work. You rock.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So, exactly the kind of ship Russia would need to retake Crimea. Interdasting

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 7 months ago

Also used for transport of cargo. Whew russians never had problems with logistics, right?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think I read there's 3 more to go, and then there's the bridge. With those 4 things gone, it'll be pretty isolating.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't think of it as Russia losing another ship. Think of it as Ukraine helping Russia launch a new submarine. :)

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

They have the world’s largest submarine fleet!

And they’re so advanced, they don’t even need to surface for the crew!

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

The only pity was Tucker Carlson took an airplane

[–] SteefLem@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago
[–] TechDiver@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago
[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago
[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Oh, no!

Well anyways

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